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I'll bet it's a hoot to shoot

I'll bet it's a hoot to shoot a deer with that T/C  in that old caliber!!!  I have four handguns, but the calibers are more for plinking and defense than for hunting.

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The 7-30 Waters isn't really

The 7-30 Waters isn't really that old of a round.  It came out in 76 or 77 in the Winchester 94AE and is a deadly round in that rifle.  The only problem with is that you need to reload it for a good pistol hunting round.  Factory loads are with a 120 gr round nose bullet for the tubular magazine for the Winchester.  I'll either load it with a 120 gr Nosler ballistic tip or a 140 gr Barnes TSX for my deer/elk round.  It does make things interesting when you only have one round out of a pistol when you see that buck or bull standing there. 

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What kind of performance do

What kind of performance do you get out of the 7-30 with your hand loads? Thats a caliber that's always intrigued me. I'd love the chance to take a muley with one some day.

I didn't mean to inply that people couldn't use larger guns if you want to....I just believe that a lighter, faster bullet is a better fit for the hunting I do. The most popular mule deer rifle out here i E. washington/Idaho would be the 7mm rem. mag for sure. I think that the 7 is a good all around gun.

I also own cannons of my own. I've got an 8mm rem. mag and 7mm STW which I have used both. Taken elk with the 8mm (also killed elk with the 270) and the elk didn't seem to notice a difference.

Killed a deer last year with the 7mm STW @ a ranged 172 yards. I would recomend NOT hitting any part of the shoulder blade with that caliber at that range though.

I bought the 7mm STW to get into long range paper shooting with my buddy and maybe I'll keep it for that.  I bought the 8mm first and the STW came about since they both use the same brass.

Point is.....use whatever you want! For efficiency and effectiveness of the kill though, I try to stay withing reason for what I am hunting. A 375 H&H might be a little on the large side for deer...or elk for that matter, but I'm sure it will do the job. So will a 50 BMG. If you're hitting deer with the -06 and they're running away, you might want to spend more time at the range instead of getting a bigger gun. Just my 2 cents worth.

Whatever you use, please do it in a respectful way to the animal and make a good shot. I see guys come out here with brand new 338 magnums to hunt mule deer ad they can't hit them because they have developed such a flinch wile sighting them in. A 243 will kill them just as well. 243 is a minimum cal in WA for big game, but have talked to people from nevada and from my local indian reservation that hunt with a 22-250 and swear it does a great job on deer.

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Hunt Okanogan wrote:

What kind of performance do you get out of the 7-30 with your hand loads? Thats a caliber that's always intrigued me. I'd love the chance to take a muley with one some day.

I'm shooting the round out of a 12" Thompson Center Contender and when I am shooting 120 gr Nosler ballistic tips at around 2300 fps I can get sub MOA accuracy at 100 yards.  I'm not sure just what you could get out of the Winchester 94 since you only have one bullet really to shoot which is a 120 gr round nose.  I do know that I took a M94 and loaded it with a single shot at a time and ended up with a 1 1/2" group.  It was funny in that the guy that owned the rifle thought that I was going to blow it up using spritzer type bullets in it even tho I each round by its self into the chamber. 

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deer rifles

I too commend what you say huntokanogan! I am from north Idaho and have a friend who does guided pack trips for Elk/deer. He is always complaining to me about these guys who hire him and bring these cannons they have no business shooting. Mostly because....like you stated they aren't proficient shooting the rifles.

Seems that most guys go out and by brand new 340 WBY or 375 H&H to come on his hunts and end up missing or wounding animals. They don't put in the range time and thats what happens. On his hunts a wounded animal is a killed animal and thats all you get. Most outfitters up here are that way. He even had a guy bring a 458 mag a year or two back. Incidentially the client ended up taking a bull elk with my friends 300 win mag after missing multiple elk with his howitzer.

He likes the 300 magnums as dual purpose guns along with the 7mm mags or even the 338. But you will get no problems from him if you show up with a 270 or 30-06 which he proclaims as awesome calibers for anything. He tells me you can tell how good a hunter is by the rifle he brings. If he shows up with an old beat up 30-06 he is most likely a better hunter than the guy with a shiney new 375. That HIS oppinion.

He had a client from Alaska years ago that used a 7mm mag to kill everything from moose to grizzly bear in Alaska. If a 7mm will kill that heavy of game, why would you need a 375 H&H for deer?

Deer here in Idaho are BIG and many people still hunt with their trusted old 243's or 6mm's. 270, 280, 308, 7mm-08 are all popular clibers as well. Like in WA, the 7mm rem mag and 300 win mag are probably the most popular rifles in Idaho as well. At least thats what ammo sales will tell you.

I agree with hunt okanogan. Use as much gun as you need, but no more. I see a trend mostly in younger and in-experienced hunters that bigger must be better.

We also get those 1,000 yard efficienattos, or so they think and usualy it ends up bad.

I hope I don't stir up a hornets nest for you but there is my opinion on the topic.

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I like my .264

Hard to imagine a better deer gun.  A little more than a .30-06 (140 grains at 3200), flatter trajectory, similar recoil.  Mine's a little bit heavier than I'd like at 9 pounds 2 ounces with 27.5 inch barrel, so I'll probably build a lighter weight one in the future.

However, I loved my .280 also.  Probably won't ever be able to rack up the body county with .264 as my .280 did because I won't likely be in such a large scale culling situation again.

Tough to beat either of those two.  But in reality, there is a tremendous amount of ballistic overlap, and it's really the gun that you carry and shoot and the bullet doing the work.  Headstamps don't matter.

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7MM RUM

I love my ultra mag even with it wieghing 13 pounds. It is a Remington Sendero and I hand load all my ammo. It is a great shooter and I also use it on everything else. It will be my muley killer until I can't carry it anymore. Thumbs up

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Remington Sendero's, while on

Remington Sendero's, while on the heavy side are one of favorite guns in the world! It will be the next gun I buy. I saw one a while back chambered in a 264 win mag and thought that would be a sweet gun. I bet that thing will shoot miles with a 7 RUM!

The 264 is kind of a neat round in my book. I had ever seen one until a couple years ago and not that many people ever talk about them...wonder why? From what I have seen they are everything a 7mm rem mag is. Maybe the 7mm killed the 264's future.

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Lovin' my 7 Mag

The 30.06 is the "timeless classic," but as a handloader I am in love with the 7mm Rem Mag.  I can load anything from Speer 110 gr TNT hollowpoints for smaller stuff to 175 gr boattail spitzers for bigger critters.  I can tune the load to just about whatever velocity I want (within reason), with most loads firing between 2,500 and 3,000 fps.  My favorite load is a Sierra 160 gr btsp doing 3,000 fps out of my Ruger M77 Mk II with a Hart Barrel.  It's amazing what it does to elk at 300 meters, but too much for deer at the same range.  I use a lighter load and lighter bullet for muleys, since the elk load wrecks too much meat.  I love it because the bullet shoots flat and fast, and .284 caliber has great ballistics.  My favorite round, all around.  My wife shoots a 7x.08, and I can reload with the same lead and powders used in my 7 Mag.  Different dies on the reloader, but other than that, I can use all the same stuff, and the 7x.08 is GREAT on deer.  A little light for elk, but she's not that gung-ho for chasing bulls in the high country like I am, so it is a nice fit.  That's my 2 cents worth.

 

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I'm going to go with the .270

I'm going to go with the .270 It's flat shooting and you can kill any thundering from coyotes to elk ..... in cites I use 100 grain mule feet I use 130grns elk 150- 180grns just depends. But my all time favorite is going to have to be my TC 50 cal hawkins percussion muzzleloader for the simples fact it has helped me to become a better hunter. As for shooting long distances in my opinion its irresponsible to shoot anything over 300yrds unless you've had lots of practice shooting them distances and are proficient with it. That's just my 2cents.

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