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Another point I was thinking

Another point I was thinking about this moroning in the stand was the fact that most people want a rug made of the hide or some sort of mount. The problem is the dogs will ripe the hide to pieces. You won't be able to stop the dogs from shredding the hide. You see, once the hunt party and shooter arrived at the bay site, the dogs are usually tied to nearby trees. This keeps the dogs from fighting each other and from attacking the bear when he falls. These bear dogs get so angry they'll start biting and chewing on the tree in which they're tied. So I don't think you'll be able to keep a dozen angry dogs from destroying the bear's cape.
Then all that you have is the meat. Now don't get me wrong, the meat is delicious but I want the hide tanned or a shoulder mount if the bear is a huge bear.

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I say you can shoot the bear

I say you can shoot the bear if you want him and he belongs to you alone, end of story.

You have access and permission to the land - it would appear that they do not.

I would be upset, even if I did not want the bear - if the drive took place on land that I was currently deer hunting at the time.

To me, this is an intrusion into a hunt that you likely worked very hard to cultivate (that certainly is true in my case - I work VERY hard to develop opportunities and then to work the land, food plots, stand locations, etc).

Deer drives with dogs is a hot topic in the south and the dog hunters - who have a long and storied history, deeply steeped in tradition - are losing ground daily... we are now seeing lease agreements that limit the times deer drives may be conducted... some as few as 2 x per month.

I think that this type of deer hunting will eventually go away... and the result is that people like me (and you) work too hard and invest too much money developing these hunts...we do not want them interfered with.

I love tradition - but to paraphase Mr. Zimmerman - "The times, they are a'changin".

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Yep, times are changing and I

Yep, times are changing and I think using dogs in populated areas is one of the things that will change.  Is using dogs to find deer or bear a tradition that should go away?  No, not completely, but I think it needs to be revisited on a case by case basis with the driving point being, does the hunting with dogs interfere with someone elses ability to hunt successfully and to be free from interference.  Thus, one may enjoy hunting with dogs, but if those dogs stop another person from hunting, then the dogs must go or somehow be controlled so they stay off private property.

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If it is legal to be running

If it is legal to be running bears with dogs at the same time that you are hunting deer then that is the chance that you take hunting at the same time.  A few years ago I was hunting elk in Utah and there was also a bear persute season going on.  I was lucky enough to bag my elk early in the morning but just as soon as I got to him I heard a pack of dogs after a bear.  Now if the dogs would of started earlier in the day my elk hunt would of been shot. 

That is the problem when seasons overlap and it is a risk that you take. 

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CVC, You hit the nail on the

CVC,

You hit the nail on the head - the dogs do not know where to stop and there is no way to teach them.

They strike a deer - they keep running.

They come to someone's land that spent all summer planting plots, putting up stands, etc... and there sits a hunter that watches all of the deer bolt out of the plot just when he or she feels that the mature buck they have been waiting on is about to (possibly) enter the plot... it is very frustrating.

Now, tracking dogs are an entirely different story and one that should be told.

I do not feel they are used nearly enough....they can and should be used to successfully recover deer. 

A guy shoots at a deer, walks down there and does not find blood and states "oh well, I must have missed" and does not look for the deer... what a waste and I guess this is another post or thread altogether.

That is my .02 worth.

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Jim said:"Now, tracking dogs

Jim said:"Now, tracking dogs are an entirely different story and one that should be told.

I do not feel they are used nearly enough....they can and should be used to successfully recover deer. 

A guy shoots at a deer, walks down there and does not find blood and states "oh well, I must have missed" and does not look for the deer... what a waste and I guess this is another post or thread altogether.

That is my .02 worth."

How true, how true. I witnessed my neighbor's son shoot a buck yesterday afternoon. I shouldn't say "witnessed" but I heard him shoot and hit the buck. I know it was a buck because I could hear the two of them talking about where and what he shot.
I walked to the property line to see if I could tell how big of a buck he had shot. I watched thru my binoculars as they walked back and forth in the field in search of the deer. They searched from about 75 yards in the field to the woods edge. They gave up after 15 minutes.
I'm guessing he made a bad shot on the deer and the deer made it out of
the field without leaving any blood.
Now if I could have taken my lab to help search for the deer, I believe we could have found the deer. This week she was able to find a doe my best friend dropped in a chest-high bean field. She is ae to find the deer by smell alone. She never picked up blood tracking. She just runs around until she finds the scent trail. She always finds our deer, several that probably wouldn't gave been found otherwise.
That will be my .02 cents worth. So we're up to .04 cents. Anybody have .02 cents more to add? Hahaha

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Shiloh ranch in Oklahoma is a

Shiloh ranch in Oklahoma is a hog hunting ranch.  If a hunter can't find their hog, they bring out their jack russell terrier and he goes out and finds the hog.  I only know about this through postings on the web, but from all accounts the dog always gets his hog.  I think if anyone has a dog that can track a wounded deer available them should take advantage of it.  I think tracking deer with a dog would be as much fun as hunting deer.  My .02.  Now wer're up to 6 cents.

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We have gotten sidetracked on

We have gotten sidetracked on the dog issue and I think it is a good one... I will start a new thread so we can discuss...

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No, I want to start the new

No, I want to start the new thread....I want the points....ha ha....go ahead and I'll join it.

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