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The best way to find out about the recoil from a 30-06 is just to go out shooting with someone who has a 30-06. A few shots will let you know if this cartridge is right for you.

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i know this varies from rifle to rifle, but generally speaking your saying a 308 kicks less than a 270? Because ive shot a 270 and if i could get something that kicks less than it and has more velocity and energy (i researched it on remington.com) than i think thats what i want to get

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i'm not to sure as to say a 308 kicks less then a 270. awful close them 2 calibers as far as recoil i found anyways. shoot a few different rifles and then you'll know what suits you best man.(thats the best thing to do) we can debate all we what but your the one pullin the trigger and you need to be comfortable and convident with your rifle Thumbs up

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Here'sa recoil Caculator that will compute the recoil for you. Note that nowhere is the calibre entered into formula. For practical purposes bullet weight is the most controllable factor for factory loads. Another factor which cannot be calculated is the condition of the rifle bore. Any solvent/oil in the bore will increase Felt Recoil by up to 50 % compared to a dry bore(hydraylic pressure effect)

http://www.huntamerica.com/recoil_calculator/

So the question should really be. Which rifle can kick more ,all factor being equal ?
The one that fires the heaviest bullet Thumbs up

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Thats because bore diameter isnt needed for the equation. But powder weight is therefor case capacity is....Bigger calibre....More powder...So it kinna does matter about the calibre dont ya think?

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SinfulFate wrote:
i know this varies from rifle to rifle, but generally speaking your saying a 308 kicks less than a 270? Because ive shot a 270 and if i could get something that kicks less than it and has more velocity and energy (i researched it on remington.com) than i think thats what i want to get

The guy's are hiting it really well. Let's say your using factory ammunition in a 308. as you go up in bullet weight, you also go up in recoil. Works the same with all cartridges. Where the confussion come's in is in compareing one cartridge to another. The only thing you have to measure this by, is a bunch of numbers a mathmation figured out. That's because the ammount of recoil that's felt is what is important, not the actual recoil.

Many thing's affect felt recoil from the oil in the barrel that hammer talked of to a badly worn barrel. Then there's rifle fit, action tpye. rifle weight, recoil compensating pads' barrel porting processes, stock design ect. It would be hard to tell you that one cartridge recoiled harder than another with all these variables other than a simple, not so cut and dried, math calculation.

HmsMiner has it right. If you can find some to shoot, go do that. Then bear in mind that what you feel is only germaine to that rifle, the next may not feel like that much or may feel like more.

It's felt recoil, remember that. If you don't want a rifle that recoils, don't buy a light one, don't buy one with a larger case, don't shoot heavier bullet's than you need. Get one around 7 lbs plus. Don't get a cartridge that is relatively large. Use a cartridge that fires a heavy enought bullet to do what you want it to do. Deer, and this is opinion, should be shot with bullet's starting around 120 gr and more than 140gr is not necessary. Many people use less. But with my guide, everything under 25 cal is out and everything over 28 cal is out. Then to minimumize recoil the most, use a smaller case. ie the 7mm-08 will recoil less than the 280 Rem, the 280 Rem less than the 7mm mag. Go to the store and look at a round of each together and you'll see the difference in case size. Same cal, same bullet different powder capacity.

Now go look at two different rifles, one a 6 1/2 lb rifle the other a 7 1/2 lb rifle. Given the same cartridge/bullet, the heavier has less felt recoil. The math gives them both the same actual recoil, but the felt recoil is less. Felt recoil is what your looking at.

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Don is right on the money. Felt recoil is all that matters. There is a dramatic change of felt recoil for every pound of gun you add. Depending on your situation and how tall and heavy you are Sinfulfate, will dramatically determine how much felt recoil you "feel". Most importantly in finding a rifle is how it fits and shoulders to you and you alone.

In answer to your question regarding 308 vs. 270 recoil. In my experience the two rifles have very similar felt recoil. The 270 is an awesome caliber and so is the 308. The 130 grain bullet in the 270 and the 150 grain bullet in the 308 are devastating for deer sized game. The only advantage the 308 has over the 270 is that you can get up to a 180 grain factory load and with the new bullets out there can easily harvest elk sized game out to 250 yards. Now I'm not saying the 270 cant be used for elk because it has and will always be. It is sometimes nice to have a heavier bullet in some situations.

I personally shoot a TC encore in 308 and have the pro hunter thumbhole stock. The felt recoil is minimal with the Sims pad on and the recoil reducers built into the stock. Another nice quality of the encore is the ability to change barrels so if the one you choose is not what you thought you can but another barrel for around 200$ US. And, if you are a smaller framed hunter you can purcahse the encore with shortened stocks. God it sounds like I work for TC!!!

I my personal opinion, a 308 would be my choice if I had to choose between the 270 or 308, good to know you have it narrowed down to 2 calibers!! Good luck and hope you can wade through all the info.

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If I was in your postion again....I would go with the .270....good flat shooting gun nm recoil...rounds are fairly cheap and easy to find....you can get the round in just about any imaginable form from blot,break,pump,and semi auto....and you can hunt anything in the states with it....from coyotes to moose...hell last year we had a kid at school get drawn for a moose tag and he shot it with a .270. My brother shoots coyotes and deer with a .270. My mom has killed deer and elk both with a .270. I have killed deer with a .270 and a .270 WSM....my money would be on the .270 all the way...although I did just buy a brand new left handed Ruger m77 in .300 Win Mag....lol good luck

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There are alot of things to consider when buying a rifle for the first time. I am only 5'-11'', 145 pounds and I shoot a 5.5lb 300 win mag mountainrifle without a problem both from the bench and in the field. I have killed many whitetails with it but also bears and elk. Its definetly overkill for deer when a .243 would do the same job, maybe better. I have shot almost every cartridge from a .243 all the way to a .338 and a .400 Tembo. Once you expect the recoil and accept that it is going to happen, you'll become more comfortable shooting a larger caliber.
For deer, the only reason to really go bigger than a .25-06 or 270 is if you shooting at long distances and you are worried about wind or if you want to hunt deer with the same rifle you use for large game ... Both .25-06 and a 270 would deliver enough energy to kill a deer out to 200 yards easily. For a beginning hunter a shot beyond 200 yards is a long shot. Bullet placement is a much larger factor than actual caliber. Many people in Alaska will hunt moose and caribou with a 30-30.
Recoil depends on how much powder (cartridge size), bullet weight, rifle weight and if your my girlfriend if you forget to put the rifle into your shoulder. Shooting from an offhand position your shoulder can move much more than on a bench. I have found that a turkey load or slug in a shotgun kicks much more than my .300 win mag.
I also would say that a muzzlebreak wouldn't be all that bad of an idea. When I was 12 I was under 5 feet and very light so I used a .280 with muzzle break. A 280 is slightly better than a 270 and 30-06 ballistically. The only real downside to a break is that if you shoot alot without hearing protection you can damage your ears. I have shot it at game with no ill effects but I am careful when I go to the range to wear hearing protection. It also reduces the recoil of my 280 to less than that of a 243. They are also cheap, you can get a good one put on for a few hundred bucks and they will prevent shot pulls due to fear of recoil. I love my 280 and would buy one again in a heartbeat.
All in all, I would look at what your going to be hunting and the range that your willing or going to have the opportunity to shoot. Then I would look at size of game. A 270 or 30-06 can kill and elk or black bear easily. Whatever you buy, spend alot of time sighting it in and shooting it, a 243 will kill anything with proper shot placement. You'll also get used to the recoil and be able to cope with the recoil while learning to shoot well.

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