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what rifle on first pig hunt this year?

Hey Mike. You are correct in that most folks can't handle the heavy recoil of these rifles, so we agree that they aren't for everybody. You need to practice, practice, pratice, to be proficient. As you correctly pointed out, smaller hyper-velocity cartridges seem to do more meat damage than a lumbering big-bullet. I have used my big-bores on lots of hogs and always catch grief from folks telling me that all you need is a .22 LR behind the ear, etc.....

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clueless

sorry to bother

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Re: clueless
270wsmbboss wrote:
sorry to bother

Did I miss something here?

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WOW!!!!!!

After reading all of this stuff, I think I'll just stick to my Savage Mod 12 .223 and Iowa coyotes.

I personally think that any well placed shot of any caliber and weight could have positive effects on any animal kill. Meat packing houses (aka butchers) have been known to use .22 to kill cattle for slaughter. I have also seen the same thing used on Bison on a ranch in Bosler, Wyoming in a chute. I have also seen them hit with .54cal black powder on the range with questionable results. Buddie Cremer, the owner, would use a .243 or a .270win (I forgot which one) because in his experience, he knew how to make the "well placed shot" to kill a bison bull instantly.

Is this bull? Maybe for some one else it might be. For me and my eyes and experience it is fact. The other guys that were there believe it too. I worked for Buddie for a few seasons in the early 80's and I have seen it happen. I have also slaughtered my own beef and pork. I shot a dairy goat 3 times with a .22 mag in the back of the skull before she finally went down with a shot in the ear. I was using a Davis derrenger so they were point blank shots.

Will a .444 marlin kill a cape buffalo? I have never done it but I believe anything is possible. Just because I've never done it or seen it done does not mean it can't be done or that it did not happen. I was not there so I do not know.
At some point in history I'm sure a few have gone down to bow and arrow or spears. A lot of grizzlies, elk, and moose have given in to one single well placed hit from a broadhead. Personally I perfer a minimum of a .308 Win for these animals and that is questionable sometimes.

I have seen what .444 will do to elk, grizzly bear, white tails, mulies and caribou. It is hell on a snowshoe too ! I think it will have definate effects against a cape buffalo. There will be life threatening damage. I believe that to be fact.

Maybe the man is talking out of his butt. But the truth and fact is simple. I did not see it so I really do not know. Only an fool would argue with the eyewitness. You ever wonder why eyewitnesses are so highly valued in a court of law?

That's my story and I'm sticking to it!

Chuck S

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what rifle on first pig hunt this year?

Chuck, the animal in question wasn't a cape buffalo.......

No one is arguing that smaller calibers can't kill as they most certainly have. A 40 grain .22 behind the ear will kill nearly anything. The issue is that when in the field, the perfect shot quite frequently doesn't present itself. So what do you do? Hope for the best? I go with heavier calibers that I know will penetrate to the vitals from any angle. Heavy bullets with good sectional density at moderate velocity just penetrate like hell.

Not arguing, just clarifying my position on the issue. The reason that there are minimum calibers for DG in Africa, and the .444, being a glorified .44 magnum doesn't qualify. Again, not trying to be argumentative..........

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Yeah I love my .444.... She's my goto gun. Hit a Cape Buff at 150 yards with it right behind the shoulder and retrieved the bullet in the off side skin. I was IMPRESSED to say the least ....... end quote

Actually the debate is about killing a Cape Buffalo at 150 yards with a .444 Marlin.
I was just spending my two cents. Thanks for the reply. I hope to get to hunt elk and deer again once I get moved to New Mexico. I definately want to try javelina and a hog. Might have to go to Texas for that though. I'm debating on buying a 7mm 08 or a .338 Federal. Both will hunt anything I would ever hunt in North America. I'm leaning more towards the 7mm08 honestly.

Have a good day unless you have already made other plans.

Chuck S

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what rifle on first pig hunt this year?

Sorry for the mixup there chuck. The debate was my fault. We (the guy that owned it) were under the impression that it was a cape but it was actually a Phillipino water buffalo... Around the same size and temperment but different in a few ways as well...

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OK ...now I understand. Thanks

Chuck S

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Chuck, I choose to have good days when possible...... Thumbs up

A friend shot a wild long-horn last month with his .338 Federal, and was really impressed with its performance. Loaded with TSXs (I think they were 225 grain but need to confirm), it punched a fist-sized hole through the heart -- can't argue with that!!

My go-to squirrel gun is an old Ruger M77 in .338 win mag that I normally stoke with 250 grain Partition Golds. It's damn effective!! I like the .338 calibers and recommend them highly.

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I like what I have read about the .338 Federal. Good solid hard hitting pellet wiht the effects of a magnum load with out the recoil. I have always been a fan of the .308win and the 338 is built from that. It is a 308 case with a larger bullit. 7mm 08 went the other direction. 308 case wiht the 7mm bullit. More range but less hit as I understand it.

Thanks for your input.
Chuck S

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