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What if your hunting buddy was gay?

What if you didn't know and found out he (or she) was gay? Would it bother you? Would you invite him (or her) back on future hunts?

Would your own insecurity in your own masculinity make you start to doubt yourself being around him?

(Because, after all, fag-bashers are just deeply disturbed gay men. They hate anything that reminds them of the feelings they were taught to hate about themselves. Rather than have the strength and courage to face their mirror, they try to destroy anyone that reminds them of their own feelings. Fag-bashers and homophobes require our compassion and understanding to help them come to terms with their own gay orientation and feelings.)

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It wouldn't matter one bit if my hunting buddy was gay. I have several close friends who are gay and it has never been an issue for me, my wife, or children. As a matter of fact, I was the best man at a gay wedding ceromony a week ago and it was a wonderful time. It was actually the best wedding I have ever attended(except mine ). Gay individuals are a fact of life and the sooner the rest of us except that the better. Hunters are hunters.

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Wouldn't bother me, my stepson is. Well it wouldn't bother me if we didn't have to sit around and talk about it. Probally it would boil down to if he wanted to be one of the guys on a hunting trip or if he wanted to be a gay guy on a hunting trip.

Now, why should the issue even come up?

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Don Fischer wrote:
Now, why should the issue even come up?

That was my thought exactly. I don't see how or why sexual orientation would even matter.

And as Chestergolf stated, "hunters are hunters". What you do sex-wise does not have any bearing on that.

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Don Fischer wrote:
Wouldn't bother me, my stepson is. Well it wouldn't bother me if we didn't have to sit around and talk about it. Probally it would boil down to if he wanted to be one of the guys on a hunting trip or if he wanted to be a gay guy on a hunting trip.

Now, why should the issue even come up?

Because compared to every other fishing and hunting forum that I've been on, your reply has been the extremely small minority exception rather than the rule.

In fact, out of approaching the topic on about 60 fishing and hunting forums, your 2 posts and one other private email that I got were the only kind words anyone has ever said about the subject. You should see the flame wars that started, or even worse, were the forums where they even censored the use of the word "gay" or banned a whole domain from even posting there. How insecure and immature is that?

Isn't that reason enough?

This is what drove me to create my own forum, so men who like to be themselves aren't having to continually censor themselves around the sexually-insecure heteros that always silence them into shame or guilt with a little look or laugh. So they don't have to sit there and listen to all the hetero-married men talk about their wives and sons and daughters while desperately wishing they could talk about their last date too just like everyone else does. Fishing and hunting is not all just about the fish or the critter. It's about the camaraderie that you get from being with friends that accept you just for how you are. In fact, I would say that's an even stronger motive for most, than the catch or the kill of the day. In fact, that's why BigGameHunt even exists, to share in the camaraderie. Gay men miss out on that important aspect of the whole experience ... just to help make the sexually-insecure heteros feel better about their own lives, and always getting nothing in return.

Just out of curiosity, I did a search on this forum for the number of posts that contain words referring to heterosexual families and relationship. And again with any words that might refer to a gay partner.

Hetero-relation topics = 748
Gay = 1 possible one, the reference was obscure, and he's not been back since 2003. (This count does not include my own posts.)

While this is in no way an accurate way to say that gay men here are censoring themselves, but it sure is a clear indication of that. And only reflects what I've experienced my whole life. I was not in the least surprised by those numbers. You are even trying to silence this discussion about it by saying it doesn't matter, lets talk about something else. What? Like your hetero marriage and that's why you have a gay step-son? That'd be par for the course, now wouldn't it. Even you make it clear that your step-son is not welcome to talk about what's really important in his life with you on a hunting trip, yet I bet you sure do talk about things that are important in your personal life. And I'm sure, like all gay men, he sits by after the hunt and smiles and tries to be supportive of all your minuscule woes and joys in life. Never the favor returned.

That's my point.

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What if your hunting buddy was gay?

Just how do you decide which hunting topics are "hetero related?" I'm just curious because I, like others, don't understand how sexual preference factors into hunting.

The absence of gay posts doesn't mean anything. Nothing dampens a hunt like a partner who goes on and on about his relationship issues -- hetero or not. We're here to talk hunting, not sexual preference or behavior.

Personally, I resent the insinuation that because I'm a sportsman I am closed minded or censor those around me. I don't appreciate people who build up a stereotype of who I am and then denounce me for a stereotype they created.

In my opinion, it's the height of hypocrisy when people preface complaints about stereotypes by firing a broadside of labels and generalizations at a demographic.

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expatriate wrote:
We're here to talk hunting, not sexual preference or behavior.

Now that's funny! smile Judging by the topics you engage in here, you do more hunting with your keyboard for conversation about anything and everything OTHER than hunting. LOL....

Tell me, what ammo do you use? The upper row of keys with shift held down? Or the numeric keypad?

LOL

(Sigh, it takes all kinds I guess. Oh well.)

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Obvious set up to start a political back and forth. Shame on You!

No location, no interests, no occupation, and previous posts led me to this conclusion. Think

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ChesterGolf wrote:
It wouldn't matter one bit if my hunting buddy was gay. I have several close friends who are gay and it has never been an issue for me, my wife, or children. As a matter of fact, I was the best man at a gay wedding ceromony a week ago and it was a wonderful time. It was actually the best wedding I have ever attended(except mine ). Gay individuals are a fact of life and the sooner the rest of us except that the better. Hunters are hunters.

Hey guy, I want to thank you for this. In my "warrior mode" I was in yesterday, I totally glossed over the fine thing you said here, and do in your real life. My sword was still drawn and I missed acknowledging the shout of support from the rare few that actually "get it". smile

Thanks!!

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Ok you guy's, who's gay? Looks like we'll need to know so we can talk about shooting things in the proper sensitive way.

And that guy that started this, get over it. I don't think anyone here came here looking for someone of the same sex to sleep with, a gay to bash or some sensitive talk around the old camp fire. In short, nobody here cared about anyones sexual preference befor you showed up and we damn sure won't after you leave. Not real manly, but that's the way it is! Thumbs up

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Hey cowgirl..........................naw, forget it! Laugh

I'm sorry, I just couldn't help it. You run into me somewhere, I got a butt whippin' comming then I'll buy you dinner. I really don't care!!!!!!!!!

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