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Location: Montana
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What Happend To Bears & cougars Forever

its the people in Seattle and other big popular places that dont hunt and all they here is that we hunt bears and cat and kill tham and they think poor kitty poor teddy we should stop them from hunting them. well fokes it not that easy we just dont go out and shoot a bear or cat it takes hard work. and its the people voteing no that dont hunt and dont deal with the probblem in there own back yard. thay should really think about the people that hunt before thay vote. I've wached the deer and elk population go down in greenwater sence 1996 because the hound hunters and baiters arnt in there hunting the way they should. now your lucky to see a deer or elk but almost certin to see a cat track or bear sign every time. I like Hunt4Elk85 idea about banding together to start hound hunting and bear baiting again. i think this is the only way we can bring down the population and WE need to do something SOON. i really agrea with hound hunting and bear baiting.

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its the damn people in Seattle that dont hunt

It's not just them. There are alot of hunters (and fisherman) that voted for the ban or just didn't vote. Some see it as unsporting an others see it as a way for the population to grow and others are tired of sloppy baits/hounds/etc.

If all the bird hunters would have voted it would not have passed.
If all the fisherman would have voted it would not have passed.

The numbers are there, but everyone has there own opinions and agendas.

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Yeah your right we just all have to get togethere and vote the same way. But its imposible.

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Location: Olympia, WA
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If there is a will there is a way and nothing is totally impossible. Taking the attitude that it is impossible for all hunters and trappers to ban together and support each others issues is just more fuel for the animal rights activist to take away our god given right, and slowly kill such a big part of the american dream. These animal rights activist are also hunters, they look for signs of weekness among us, they pattern our behavior and attitudes, and in a matter of seconds take the last breath out of us.

I dont want to come across as a hard a**, but all I'am saying is it starts with something easy that hunters have split opinions on such as using hounds or bait for bears. Then next thing you know they feed law makers a bunch of B.S. about how spring bear hunts are leaving too many orphaned bear cubs, so now spring bear hunts are illegal. Then finnally they will start attacking bigger things, such as hunting deer and elk during the rut, and their latest, trying to pass an all out ban on bow hunting.

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Just look at what the antis tried in the 70s/80s. They tried to ban ALL hunting and it didn't work. They went back to the drawing board and developed a plan.

They went for the what they considered the most barbaric activities and systematicaly (sp) attacked them. Unfortunately most hunters did not help out the trappers, and bird hunters (with dogs of course) did not help the hound hunters. And the fisherman did not help anyone.

They will strike again and archery is the next big target, with fishing in their sites as well.

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Location: Olympia, WA
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Splitting hairs

I think a lot of you guys are correct. When hunters as a group are divided, we speak with a weak voice. The problem that I see is that we are divided, just by our nature. Bow guys have an opinion of rifle guys, rifle of muzzle, muzzle of bow etc, etc, etc. We are different. The group that makes the biggest showing at the game commission, get the most attention.

If I were king, I would equal the playing field a bit. If you hunt with bow,rifle or muzzle, that is your choice. I would split the season into thirds for each species. Give each hunt type the exact same amount of opportunity (days) to hunt, and rotate the seasons every year. On any given year, a muzzle hunter would have the exact same opportunity as the bow hunter, as does the rifle hunter. Each year differing, and viola' we are equal.

Now we could speak as one group. Hunters.

Bow guys have a great legacy of networking, and muzzle and rifle guys could learn alot. I would also cancel this Advanced Hunter BS. A glorified arse kiss to the dept of wildlife. Become our friend, and we will reward you for kissing arse. I consider the dept of wildlife, the hunters adversary.

Does anyone really think we need to reduce elk numbers by killing off the cows? This state is not overpopulated with deer or elk. The weighted point sytem for Special Hunts, has destroyed anyones chance of actually getting drawn. Used to be that you might apply occasionally for a cow tag, now in order to ever be drawn you must apply each and every year, just to keep up with the "Jones's". They have even developed a way for hunters to obtain points for years they do not hunt. Wildlife is selling off your resources to the highest bidder, and giving away special priveledges to those who think like them, and they are not even responsible to you the hunter since their funding comes out of the general fund, instead of license sales like in the past. Enjoy your reduced hunt's guys. Less game, less accessible land, less time to hunt.

Sorry for the ranting and raving, but I see the future of hunting in this state (Washington) and it is not pretty. I have video of the aftermath of Tribal hunters, killing elk at the St Helens National Volcanic Monument on January 1st. Someone please explain to me how a tribal member, "traditionally" hunted at 4000' elevation, in the snow, with a rifle? Private timber companies are gating all of their land, and banning entry to every race of people, except for tribal hunters who are issued keys, and the welcome matt, to hunt these areas.

We need to wake up and smell the coffee, cause the House is on fire.

Maybe I should start an organization of pissed off hunters, to battle with Wildlife, and the Tribes?

Would you join me?

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Im sure alot of people would join. i would Big smile
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Any of yall think there is a good chance we might be able to get this back on the ballet for next november. or is this STATE TO LIBREAL.

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Location: OlyWa
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Won't happen.
Even the recent events in Oregon are being stalled.

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Location: Olympia, WA
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What Happend To Bears & cougars Forever

Yeah, I read in my local news paper the other day that another proposal to re-introduce cougar hunting with hounds in the state of Oregon was shot down by the senate in a vote of 18-12.

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