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Location: Montana
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What Happend To Bears & cougars Forever

Did any of yall here about that new law they where trying to pass in WA about bear baiting and cougar hunting with hounds. it was called bearsandcougarsforever. it was a while back. we sined this thing at the gun show and gave a donation. so i just wanted to see what happend to it becuse i have not herd it in a while.

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Location: Olympia, WA
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I do know they are slowly trying to bring back cougar hunting with hounds. I dont know if you heard about it, but this spring a couple of GMU's on the eastern side had a lottery, where they drew names, of local hunters, and local houndsman, and paired them up to hunt cougar in these GMU's, I think the season was like one month long or 20 cougars harvested, which ever came first.

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Location: OlyWa
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What Happend To Bears & cougars Forever

There is also a rumor that the DNR want to have hound hunting in the spring to protect timber.

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Location: Montana
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What Happend To Bears & cougars Forever

Well may be thay just forgot about the whole thing because thay might have lost it in court.

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Location: Olympia, WA
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What Happend To Bears & cougars Forever

I have heard that rumor too. They wanted to do it this year, but the WDFW said no way, that they need to come up with another plan and try that first, that involves giving the local hunters first crack at the bears, because captilol forest is state land payed for with tax dollars and hound hunting for bear is illegal, and only aloud on privately owned property with a depredation permit. I'm totally against DNR being allowed to use hounds, number one it will be you and I that pays for it, its not like these guys are going to volunteer their time and their dogs to the state. Number two their is no need to pay these people, when thier are guys out there like you and me, who would jump at the chance to help them control their bear problem for free, via: an annual spring bear season. Now I wouldn't have a problem with DNR using hounds, as long as they made the guy running the hounds take a local hunter like you or me with them to do the shooting. If the state lets DNR start paying hound hunters to come run hounds on state property, look for me to quit my hunting carreer in this great state, and hunt strictly in Idaho. Anyways, that is just my two cents.

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Location: OlyWa
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Hhhhhmmmm...Wonder where ya heard that? Wink

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What Happend To Bears & cougars Forever

Do they have a serious problem with too many bears?

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Location: OlyWa
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It's not there is a "bear problem", but hunters are just not hunting them properly to keep the numbers in check in some areas. A single bear can kill hundreds of trees each spring and that becomes a problem.

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Location: Anchorage AK
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What Happend To Bears & cougars Forever

I have never been a big fan of hunting with hounds. I know that a lot of people like it but I still think it is a crappy way to hunt. Sure, pro hounds hunters can make the arguement that it isn't easy at all. That you have to be able to stay with the dogs and really move or else you risk your dogs and all that. That it costs real money to breed the dogs and train them and that it really is sporting but once you have the bear treed, is it really any different from shooting a trapped animal?

Rather than hounds, why not open the state land to a longer season or allow 10-15% more hunters into that unit? Hunt4Elk85 has a point in that if WA fish and feathers is going to open that land, why pay people state money when there are people willing to pay the state? More money in rather than money out! Makes a lot more sense, unless you are one of the guys standing in line to take the government handout?

It really is better to encourage and educate more people, create more hunters, than it is to specialize and reduce our numbers. It is a win-win for us and the state. More people hunting means more voices for hunting and more dollars for land and habitat and game management for the state. That means more lands may open for the future rather than close due to a perception that "fair chase" has been tossed for the pursuit of a rug to make someone feel better about themselves.

Also, good news from the courts on non-resident hunting regulations and states rights! Good for the locals. It may be a bummer for out of state outfitters who book big hunts, but if you live there you own the resource, you're paying for it, shouldn't you get first crack if you want it?

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Location: Montana
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What Happend To Bears & cougars Forever

I am strongly against hunting bears with dogs but on a hypocrit twist I believe it is the only reliable way to hunt lions and I would hate to see my state preventing control of lion numbers,our deer are already low enough,so if I had to approve bolth to keep one i would.I guess I just dont understand why you would want to hunt bear that way,we cant even bait here in MT and bear is one of my favorites to hunt,probably the most elusive game I hunt here and that is a big reason why,also the first big game I killed,the spring I turned 12.

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Location: Olympia, WA
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Its time for all hunters to come together for a common cause. Wether your a houndsmen, baiter, caller, trapper, or spot and stalk hunter, we are all bear hunters and weather or not you even hunt bear, this stuff is important. This is the one reason that places like New Jersey and Maine are fighting to keep the overall sport of bear hunting alive. The animal rights activist feed off of the fact that bear hunting is divisive issue among hunters, in that some bear hunters are against using hounds or bait, others are against hunting in the spring and so on and so fourth; thats why you dont see them attacking deer hunting, because they know its a battle they would never win. But they constantly attack things like trapping, and using hounds.

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