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Billion dollar cuts

$40 billion State Fiscal Stabilization

$16 billion School Construction

$7.5 billion of State Incentive Grants

$5.8 billion Health Prevention Activity

$4.5 billion GSA

$3.5 billion Higher Ed Construction (Eliminated)

$3.5 billion Federal Bldgs Greening

$2.25 Neighborhood Stabilization (Eliminate)

$2 billion broadband

$2 billion HIT Grants

$1.25 billion project based rental

$1 billion Head Start/Early Start

$1.2 billion in Retrofiting Project 8 Housing

$1 billion Energy Loan Guarantees

Million dollar cuts

$100 million FSA modernization

$50 million CSERES Research

$65 million Watershed Rehab

$30 million SD Salaries

$100 Distance Learning

$98 million School Nutrition

$50 million aquaculture

$100 million NIST

$100 million NOAA

$100 million Law Enforcement Wireless

$50 million Detention Trustee

$25 million Marshalls Construction

$100 million FBI Construction

$300 million Federal Prisons

$300 million BYRNE Formula

$140 million BYRNE Competitive

$10 million State and Local Law Enforcement

$50 million NASA

$50 million Aeronautics

$50 million Exploration

$50 million Cross Agency Support

$200 million NSF

$100 million Science

$300 million Fed Hybrid Vehicles

$50 million from DHS

$200 million TSA

$122 million for Coast Guard Cutters, modifies use

$25 million Fish and Wildlife

$55 million Historic Preservation

$20 million working capital fund

$200 million Superfund

$165 million Forest Svc Capital Improvement

$90 million State & Private Wildlife Fire Management

$75 million Smithsonian

$600 million Title I (NCLB)

http://washingtonbureau.typepad.com/washington/2009/02/what-the-senates-...

Probably most here are sorry to see the cuts to Fish and Wildlife. The state stabalization up top might well have an affect on Fish and Game in some states. Wildfire management and Watershed rehabilitation, Forest Service.

I like the school nutrition. Some kids have a bad home life, only good meal they get. Guess it's not stimulous except for the salaries of the people cooking the food or growing it.

We'll see what happens when they get together and start cutting it up.

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Are some of these programs worth funding, e.g., school nutrition? Yes, but should they be in a stimilus bill? No.

What I don't understand is with Democrat control of both houses, why is Obama having such a hard time pushing his agenda?

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Bingo. He doesn't want to just pass it. He wants to have Republican signatures on it so the Democrats don't have sole ownership. That's why they came unglued after the House vote.

The talk of "bipartisanship" isn't about making concessions and working together -- it's about looking like it is. The Dems know full well that if they run this through the Senate like they did the House, they'll have full accountability for what he economy does over the next four years. All they're trying to do is get Republican fingerprints on it.

This bill's a disaster. The Senate Republicans ought to do like they did in the House -- vote 100% against it to let the Dems take accountability.

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I would think that more importantly would be a list of what didn't get cut that is NOT a job producer long term.

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Expat wrote,

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This bill's a disaster. The Senate Republicans ought to do like they did in the House -- vote 100% against it to let the Dems take accountability.

That's it in a nutshell. I'm not saying much of this isn't worth funding because a lot is. It just doesn't belong where it is. If the plan succeeds. The dems will take all the credit and the media will give it to them but even the media won't be able to blame repubs if it fails if they don't sign it. Obama wants a win win situation and he can't get it if conservatives don't get on board the train. If the train de rails and only dems are on it. Oops!

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I think you all have it pretty much right.

A couple of things to think about though. Obama's interests don't necesarily dovetail with Democrats in congress anymore. Remember he was thinking 80 senators would sign on. He negotiated with himself and submitted an original plan that he thought would have broad support. Tax cuts even for lower or middle class have very little stimulative affect. Nor do as many pointed out social programs for the poor.

The big chunks that have been cut do have a stimulous affect and some of the big things added have little. The money to states were to maintain basic services (salaries) and would lessen job losses that will now come. Police, road crews, etc., also they would have had an affect over the next few months not years.

Another look at the top of the list and you see hundreds of thousands of jobs. Federal weatherization, university and school construction. Broad band to rural areas especially, we're talking red towns now.

The flip your house to your brother part is worse than useless. It's a gift to people like me who were thinking of getting back into real estate becase prices are so good. Realestate speculators are the last people who need help.

If you look at his record Obama has a long history of working with both sides. He really wants to have broad support for everything. Many Dems think he's unreal. The contentious bills are yet to come. Those are the ones Republicans need to vote against as if their lives depended upon them, because their political lives do. Once universal health care is enacted no one will ever give it up. Like social security and medicare/medicade.

In a way I think the problems Obama is having on stimulous is a good thing. Now he will begin to realize what he's up against. What he really needs to do is become proactive. Get together with the Dems (soon to be 59 senators) agree on a bill and ram it down the throats of the Repubs.

Mostly the Repubs that are left are just place holders until someone else is elected, who needs them. When the Republicans were in power they would meet without the Dems, write a 1000 page bill like this, and bring it to a vote with 2 hours for the Dems to read the bill. They can sign on if they like or not if they don't. Remember 2010 comes a long time before 2012.

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In a way I think the problems Obama is having on stimulous is a good thing. Now he will begin to realize what he's up against. What he really needs to do is become proactive. Get together with the Dems (soon to be 59 senators) agree on a bill and ram it down the throats of the Repubs.

Gee, now that's a lovely way to run a country. Just remember what goes around - comes around. And you accuse Fox of being vicious hate mongering fools that blow everything out of proportion? With crap like this coming out of a dem, its no wonder. I hope Fox ramps it up even more!

The Republicans will get their act together. There's no way the general public will put up with the dems for very long - well not unless they're one of the recipients of the multitude of welfare programs being instituted.

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That's exactly how legislation has been passed for the past twelve or fourteen (or 30) years with a Republican controlled congress. There's no biparisanship with ideolouges, until they can elect someone willing to deal in good faith the heck with them, who needs them, let them go back to thier districts and try to get elected.

Remember we elected Obama just because he was the best choice, lots of people think he's too status quo, and would have liked Dean better.

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civetcat wrote:
Remember we elected Obama just because he was the best choice, lots of people think he's too status quo, and would have liked Dean better.

Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh

Oh, yeah...that enormous Howard Dean fan base. YEEEEEEEEHAAAAAH!!

We elected Obama because he was popular, not because he was the best choice. The past three weeks have shown that his lack of leadership experience was well justified.

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civetcat wrote:
Remember we elected Obama just because he was the best choice, lots of people think he's too status quo, and would have liked Dean better.

No, he was elected because people were naive enough to believe that he was the best choice. They believed his empty promises, promises that all but the uneducated or partisan, knew were lies.

Promises that his already breaking. He's broke his tranparency on bills and no lobbyist promises and now he is looking at breaking his "get them out of Iraq in 16 months" promise.

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Obama's the Paris Hilton of politics...famous for being famous. What leadership has he displayed? He's not leading anything on the porkulus bill. He's just doing the only thing he knows -- running around trying to whip up mob support to bully opponents.