I ordered a TC black diamond with a camo stock last week. I am still waiting for it to get here. I found it on bass pro for $199. It was about $350 everywhere else. This is going to be my first muzzleloader so I can't give advice about the ones that you asked about. I just wanted to suggest that you check bass pro for prices on the gun you decide to get. They had some other good deals as well.
wheres the the competion whats the joy of getting 200 yards from a big bull screaming at you . i hunted with my muzzle loader this september i was as close as 30 feet to many bulls they were screaming at me now thats a feeling makes your hair stand up.i spent 7 days hunting now if i had a inline hunt would of been over in 2 hours not my idea of a hunt or an adventure i dont consider them in my class
Let me start off by saying that I am a scaredy cat.
For someone that spent 3 years in 82nd Airborne jumping out of all manner of military aircraft, my friends find this ludicrous - but... it is what it is!
Climbing stand? Yep, still scared - put me up 15' and that is about it.
Ladder stands? I am better in these - but still cautious.
Chain on stands? Used to love them, now they terrify me.
I was once ridiculed for putting chain on stands waaaay too high - some of my friends...