I ordered a TC black diamond with a camo stock last week. I am still waiting for it to get here. I found it on bass pro for $199. It was about $350 everywhere else. This is going to be my first muzzleloader so I can't give advice about the ones that you asked about. I just wanted to suggest that you check bass pro for prices on the gun you decide to get. They had some other good deals as well.
wheres the the competion whats the joy of getting 200 yards from a big bull screaming at you . i hunted with my muzzle loader this september i was as close as 30 feet to many bulls they were screaming at me now thats a feeling makes your hair stand up.i spent 7 days hunting now if i had a inline hunt would of been over in 2 hours not my idea of a hunt or an adventure i dont consider them in my class
As I sit and glass, which is common for hunters out west, I have sort of quickly discovered something I never learned when I was younger.
In my youth I had enthusiasm and spirit. In my middle to advancing years I have creaky knees, arthritis, and I tire more easily than I used to. Where I used to sit on the cold hard ground I now look for that soft spot to sooth my tired muscles. That leads me to my tip.
Carry your soft spot with you!
In my pack I carry an air filled, ultralight, camping pad....