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Today I was thinking about Orwell's quote: "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

And then I looked the news and realized that Obama is systematically dismantling the system of rough men that has enabled us to sleep peaceably at night. He's gripping and grinning with our enemies around the world while attacking the people who have been keeping us safe all these years.

Then I coupled that with the way Obama used the financial crisis to incite panic and convince people that we had to enact his policies RIGHT NOW to avoid certain disaster.

After all, Rahm Emmanuel said "Never let a serious crisis go to waste."

That's when it hit me -- the thought that once Obama has dismantled what has kept us safe for the past 8 years, we'll be open to another major attack.

If that were to happen and Obama had a national crisis that whipped the population into a fury of emotion and fear, what changes do you think he'd enact under the guise of making us safe? What kind of power would a fearful population hand him?

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Funny thing, I just came across that quote the other day as well. In truth Expat I can't say I would trust any administration given those circumstances. Politicians being what they are in this day and age anyway. With Bush we got the "Patriot" act after 911 and he was supposedly a conservative. It's something I have mixed feelings about. Admittedly I would trust the left less than the right but any and all of our leadership need oversight and accountability by the people. Especially in times of crisis to ensure we don't lose any of our freedoms because of a knee jerk reaction.

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Granted -- any administration can abuse power in a national crisis. Lincoln and Roosevelt both did it, too.

But this one makes me a bit more nervous, considering the way it handles dissent, the DHS report on domestic terrorism, blaming Mexico's drug lord problem on US gun owners, etc.

The Patriot Act as implemented didn't bother me. What concerned me was the infrastructure it set up for someone else who might be inclined to look for enemies of the state.

What worries me is the idea that whereas Bush focused attention externally, this administration seems to have a propensity to focus blame internally -- part of the "blame America first" mentality.

IMO, we're more emotional about our politics now than we were in 2001. An angry crowd in the hands of a charismatic egomaniac is a very dangerous thing, indeed.

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Best get a thick tinfoil hat.

Expatriate next time you watch TV or listen to the radio get a paper and pencil, count every time you hear the words "fear" or "fearfull". I switch channels when I get to 10.

I don't think that keeping tabs on neo Nazi groups is dismantaling the rough men etc etc etc.. It's keeping an eye on a bunch of crazy people that have killed lots of Americans in the past.

Yes we are more emotional about politics now, we have a hate mongering media that brodcasts to ten million Americans daily. Another trick I used when watching Fox overseas was to switch as soon as they started the anti Obama angle. See how long it takes, usually not more than two minutes. There's not one issue that isn't the fault of one person, small minds I guess.

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So I see you got your first webcam, Civet -- congratulations.

"People don't want to think. And the deeper they get into trouble, the less they want to think. But by some sort of instinct, they feel that they ought to and it makes them feel guilty. So they'll bless and follow anyone who gives them a justification for not thinking. Anyone who makes a virtue -- a highly intellectual virtue -- out of what they know to be their sin, their weakness and their guilt." -- Ayn Rand

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." George Orwell

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Civet this conversation is not for you. We know that you're incapable of thinking for yourself. It amazes me at how people like you bury their heads and pretend its all ok, simply because their leader says so.

Its funny how the liberals view disagreement as hate mongering. Civet and his ilk would like it so much better if Fox and dissenters didn't even exist.

I do wonder what the future will bring and worry that our nation's security is in jeopardy. The Rand and Orwell quotes hit the nail on the head. Unfortunately you're singing to the choir Ex, the liberals are incapable of seeing any of this.

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You know folks if you watch carefully, you notice the more someone uses logic, knowledge and intelligence the more derisive, insulting and nasty Civet becomes. Insults are a sure sign of intellectual ineptitude.

I agree Expat I have no problem with Patriot as it's intended. My problem is how it may be interpereted down the road. Yes it's clear as to it's original intention however so is the constitition and bill of rights and many of them are under attack anyway. I'm just very leery of giving government any sort of ability to abuse freedoms. I believe Patriot and things like are neccessary evils that need to be watched carefuly.

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There's an old anecdote that I can't remember the source for -- I think it might've been Mark Twain.

In a nutshell, the story involves a gentleman going up to a woman and asking, "Madam, if I offered you a million dollars would you go home with me for the evening?" The woman is initially stunned, but after thinking things through agrees, and says, "Yes...I suppose I would."

At that point the gentleman replies and says, "Would you be willing to go home with me for a nickel?"

"Of course not!" She thunders. "What kind of woman do you think I am?"

"We've already established that," the man replies. "Now we're just haggling about the price."

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"the more someone uses logic, knowledge and intelligence "

"I have no problem with Patriot as it's intended. My problem is how it may be interpereted down the road. Yes it's clear as to it's original intention however so is the constitition and bill of rights and many of them are under attack anyway. I'm just very leery of giving government any sort of ability to abuse freedoms. I believe Patriot and things like are neccessary evils that need to be watched carefuly."

OK, I'll put you and a sack of rocks close together, which one looks like the genius?

Your saying an act that guts the bill of rights might be misniterpreted down the road just as the bill of rights is now under attack. "Neccessary evlis" like the power to arrest, try, and execute someone strictly by calling them a terrorist.

I can see the thought process now, breath in, breath out, don't forget, oh which one was it, oh ya, in, breath out, oh no lost again, wait I wrote it down, oh ya out, no in, ok I got it breath in, now out.....

You know there's a very good reason I laugh.

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Insults, sarcasm...all I hear is the sound of an empty chamber, Civet...got anything of substance?

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You know folks if you watch carefully, you notice the more someone uses logic, knowledge and intelligence the more derisive, insulting and nasty Civet becomes. Insults are a sure sign of intellectual ineptitude.

Ho hum. Yawn. I could just keep posting this in answer to everything he says and it would be relevant every time. No substance, all venom. A sure sign of desperation.

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