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WesternHunter wrote:
Some structure and rules are needed, for sure. But SoCo the key word here as you mentioned is "Some"

I'm a republican with strong libertarian views and beliefs. I'm not in the debt/foreclosure situation you describe, though I'm sure people from all walks of life and political parties are in that situation. No one ever said it was a problem unique to democrats. Further more I'm sure there are some in that same situation who are taking upon themselves to dig themselves out, without wanting help from the government. Whether they are dem or rep, it's a nobil effort and something they can be proud of later and have a hard lesson learned as well.

Stuff happens to everyone. Some by their own fault and some by just circumstance. The thing I look down upon are the people who don't care that they get themselves into trouble, and repeatedly do it, yet always expect to be bailed out by anyone willing to help. I don't care what political party you believe in, that kind of stuff really ticks me off. Americans should be able to govern their own lives, and take responsibility for their own actions, it's not a governments job to do that. Most adults I know are able to do that. Democrat or Republican, carry your own weight is all I ask, and try no to get yourself into trouble if you aren't sure you can dig yourself out of it. That's all I'm saying.

Agreed!

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Being Republican or Democrat does not define one's character or personal fiscal responsibility. Immoral behavior, bad financial situations, etc., are not relegated to one party. There is good and bad in both parties.

I am sure Republicans as well as Democrats and Independents have had their homes forclosed on or filed bankruptcy.

As Westernhunter said, sometimes it is a personal failure and sometimes it is circumstances. I think many times it is illness and the cost of medical care that do many of the people in.

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CVC wrote:
Being Republican or Democrat does not define one's character or personal fiscal responsibility. Immoral behavior, bad financial situations, etc., are not relegated to one party. There is good and bad in both parties.

I am sure Republicans as well as Democrats and Independents have had their homes forclosed on or filed bankruptcy.

As Westernhunter said, sometimes it is a personal failure and sometimes it is circumstances. I think many times it is illness and the cost of medical care that do many of the people in.

Illness is for sure a cause. My in-laws are in that situation now and have been since my father-in-law had the first of 3 heart attacks about 7 years ago. He's self employed in the trades, works hard, but has to pay and arm and a leg for health insurance. Those health problems have cost them thousands in lost wages and medical bills. They still pay thier bills and haven't lost the house and property so far, but it has hurt them terribly. They don't ask for anything from anyone, but we all chip in to help with what we could. Despite all this they don't believe at all in socialized medicine.

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I want a government that will absolve me of accountability for my life..... .

Ha ha! I'm guessing jrsimplot's post was a bit of sarcasm. lol

Welcome to BGH! Start a new thread and tell us a bit about yourself.

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What we need is an administration that has the stones to do what needs to be done.

We need to conduct a Congressional investigation over the past 8 years, so we can get to the bottom of the lies that got us into war, abuses of prisoners and constitutional rights, mishandling of the economy, and destruction of the environment. Then we need to round up the Republicans involved, press charges, and send them to jail where they belong.

President Obama is leading this country into a whole new era that will punish greed. Americans will learn to think less in terms of individuals, and focus on suppressing their individuality for the sake of the collective. We'll stop trying to be the world's policeman, and will only worry about our own borders. We'll focus on making sure that all Americans share the same values, and insure that those that don't aren't tolerated.

Such massive social transformation will no doubt make a lot of people nervous. But we can't afford to let the fears of the ignorant hold us back. So we need to really dig into the Bush administration. The more we get people to focus on the rear view mirror, the less attention they'll pay to where the car is going. By the time they pull their eyes away from the mirror, we will have already arrived.

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We'll focus on making sure that all Americans share the same values, and insure that those that don't aren't tolerated.

Such massive social transformation will no doubt make a lot of people nervous. But we can't afford to let the fears of the ignorant hold us back. So we need to really dig into the Bush administration. The more we get people to focus on the rear view mirror, the less attention they'll pay to where the car is going. By the time they pull their eyes away from the mirror, we will have already arrived.

Makes absolutely no sense to me at all. Sounds contradictory. You want a thorough investigation of the last 8 years but you say if people focus on the rear view mirror they don't pay attention to where they are going. Sound to me like you haven't put much thought into this. What is it that you want the American people to be fooled into not seeing on the journey you want this country headed?

You want to make sure that all Americans share the same value and those that don't won't be tolerated? This is in complete contradiction to the United States that I know and was raised in. It's against all the principles the USA was founded on to begin with.

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It's quite simple. This country needs change fast, and that can best be achieved by nullifying opponents that would stand in the way of progress. We can also use crisis to our advantage -- you don't want to get in the way of solutions, do you?

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jrsimplot wrote:
It's quite simple. This country needs change fast, and that can best be achieved by nullifying opponents that would stand in the way of progress. We can also use crisis to our advantage -- you don't want to get in the way of solutions, do you?

Ok, I'll bite. What do you consider progress? Maybe your vision of progress is not my vision? Then what?

And who wants solutions? again to what? I don't want anyone solving my problems.

Now lets get back to a previous post. You alluded to being in favor of a socialist state, where all is equal. Who is going to do the work and bring in the revenue to keep it on that nice even keel of equality for all? Is anyone going to be motivated to work harder? heck no! I'm thinking I'll just quit and let the nanny government just take care of me too! There is no motivation to work if I cannot reap the benefits of my own hard work.

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jrsimplot wrote:
I want a government that will absolve me of accountability for my life..... .

Ha ha! I'm guessing jrsimplot's post was a bit of sarcasm. lol

Welcome to BGH! Start a new thread and tell us a bit about yourself.

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It's quite simple. This country needs change fast, and that can best be achieved by nullifying opponents that would stand in the way of progress. We can also use crisis to our advantage -- you don't want to get in the way of solutions, do you?

Who was it that said that? Joseph Goebles? What solution did you have in mind? Maybe the final solution?

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Hey, all I'm sayiing is that Obama is what this country needs, and there's so much ignorance out there that the only way to get it accomplished is to distract people for their own good. It's a lot like directing a kid's attention elsewhere just before you rip the band-aid off.

I don't know about Goebbels. But I'm impressed at how well this administration uses crisis and retrospect to divert attention in order to slip change through. It takes a lot of guts and true leadership to give society a pill that it doesn't want, and he'll change us a lot faster and easier if we don't have all that debate and dissent from people that just don't get it.

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