Looking at the spread in the first pic, and thinking both are about the same, I'd say 160-165ish, maybe a bit more depending on the real spread. Not too heavy, the backs are good and deep, but the fronts are a bit crabby. Nothing I would pass on that is for sure, nice bucks!
I don't know! That one in the last pic is good all the way around, and if he is as wide as the one in the first pic, then I'd bet he is 170+! Maybe more, nice forks all the way around and a bit heavier too.
Hunting is not usually a pursuit where instant gratification abounds. It takes a lot of time, practice, resources and patience to be a successful hunter. So when someone decides that an area they hunted only once without taking an animal is worthless and devoid of game, I don't quite understand it. These people usually jump from game management unit to game management unit; trying a new one every year.
Now don't get me wrong, there are people that just enjoy scouting and hunting...