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What caliber for black bear?

I have a last minute opportunity to hunt in Ontario for black bear. I have a Browning .270 and a Remington .300 Ultra Mag. Which of these calibers would be best and what bullet and weight would be best? Thanks in advance. I am leaving Saturday so no time to consider another gun.

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What caliber for black bear?

Depending on distance you are shooting. I have used my 270 and 7 mag. Both worked great. Bears are light skinned. Good luck.

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What caliber for black bear?

I am shooting a .280 Remington. I haven't got one yet, but I'm told .280 Rem is good bear medicine

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What caliber for black bear?

If you are hunting Ontario I assume that you are hunting over bait? This will not be a long shot and the ultramag will be to much gun in my opinion. I would look for some quality shells (I like Federal Pr's with the Nosler Partition or the Bonded Bear Claws) for the 270. I would try to get 165 grn bullets or bigger but 150's will do the job out of that gun on bear.
Sounds like a good last min score on the hunt. Good luck, wish I was going with you.
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where in ontario westy

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I've used 30.06 & 7mm mag.
Friends have used . 308, 30/30, & 270. It all works well with a well placed shot...

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i use a .303 but a 308 and 30-06 are also great for bears depends on the shot you take

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I hit a pretty good bear at 79 steps. It weighed approximately 300#. I hit it just a little high. It turned and bit itself where the bullet entered as it fell over in the bank. All I could find was a tuff of hair where it pulled out its hair biting at the sting. I swore off the light bullets at that point. We searched till dark and half the day the next day. Not a speck of blood. That was a 270 loaded as hot as I could load it. This past spring I shot a 180 gr 30 cal bullet out of a 300 weatherby mag and got good penetration. The bear never went 15 yards. I've seen 4 bear shot with 30 cal bullets and all fell within 30 steps of where they were shot. I agree that a smaller bullet will kill a bear but,,,,,,is it fair to the bear? Why take a chance? You need an exit wound so the bear will bleed out. It's hair is so thick that the blood won't run out enough to track. It'll soak it up. If you have a good exit hole it will bleed out and you can track it better. Why take a chance? Especially in thick or steep cover. You don't want to bear to travel after the shot. Take the magnum and be fair to the game.

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Iv'e shot 17 bear with a Browning blr in .358 win, none required tracking. Magnums are you worst enemy when hunting over bait. Use the biggest bullet you can find in your .270 or 7mm at moderate speed.
I've also shot many bears with other calibers, ie. .270, .308 ,o6 , they all wil do the job but the 35's are best, ie. .358 win,35 whelen or .350 remington.
I'm tired of hearing how easy Blackbear are to kill, they just don't have much experience, wspecially on those over 500 lbs. Big smile

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Countryboy;
I don't understand your statement "magnums are your worst enemy over bait"? I agree shooting a bear over bait is like killing a hog in a pen. I've killed many with a 22 that weighed close to 300# They run around and fell over. I guess that's kinda like killing a bear over bait? Not sure though,,,,,I can't say I've ever shot anything over bait. I would like for you to explain your reasoning about the magnum comment? You said the 358 is better ? I figure "magnum" is just a name to sell the product. Look at bullet energy and weight retention? Is that why you say the 35 calibers are better than a 270? I don't dissagree that even a 22 short will kill game but,,,,,,,,what's fair to the game? That's another story.
I agree also that you can take a smaller caliber round and push it as fast as it can go with a good heavy bullet that will stick together for penetration and have comparable penetration and knock down power to a larger bullet that is slow. I guess you can compare it to a baseball and soft ball. If you could throw a soft ball as fast as you could a baseball then I'd rather be hit with the base ball but,,,,,speed makes energy. All you need with speed is penetration to get the bullet to where it counts. To end this statement,,,,, I guess if a body is shooting at 20 steps and can pick his shot over time while they're eating or sleeping or whatever, then it really doesn't matter what kind of gun you shoot as long as you can truely shoot it straight and make a good killing shot.
Side note,,,,,I seen a bear shot at 18 steps with remington corelok 180 out of a model 700, 30 06. It poked a hole through his hide and broke his right shoulder. He never flinched. The bear ran off and headed for a bluff to get down to the creek. The second shot went through his opposite shoulder at 30 steps and had both front legs broke and his boiler room completely mush. The bear lived for a few minutes after the second shot imobolized him. Neither shot penetrated through both sides. Only two entry wounds. We found peices of the bullet scattered throughout his meat and organs. The first shot never even broke his ribs.
When I shoot a bear at 18 steps,,,,,,,I don't want him to move out of his tracks. I want all the energy possible spent in the animal while making a hole large enough for blood to flow in case tracking is needed. A bullet that don't expand and zips right through the game is no good just as a light bullet that blows up without penetrating to at least the vital organs is no good.
Rule of thumb,,,,,200 grs at 3000 fps will penetrate any large game in north america "lower 48"
By the way the 35 whelen shoots a 200 gr bullet at 2650 fps with 3118 ft lbs of energy. At 200 yards the energy has dropped to 1275
The 300 winchester shoots 200 gr bullets at 2900 fps with 3734 ft lbs of energy. At 200 yds the energy has dropped to 2415 ft lbs
And the 300 weatherby shoots the 200 gr bullet at 3000 fps and has 3996 ft lbs of energy. At 200 yds the energy is still 2593 ,,,,that is almost as much as the whelen has at the barrel.
If you shoot from a tree over bait I guess all this doesn't matter.
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Really tho if you get a good enough shot and you hit it right in the right spot it dont really matter i use a 180 grain bullet and it works every time so i dont know what your talking about and another thing about stand hunting its not always as easy as you guys are sayin it is trust me

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