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What bullet?

What bullet have you guys used on Browns? If I was lucky enough to go on a hunt now I think I would be using the barnes tsx out of my .338.

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All that I know that I used

All that I know that I used was a 220 gr Whinchester Silver Tip out of my .30-06.  For my trip that I am planning on in the next couple of years it is going to be a Barnes 225gr TSX at around 3000 fps out of my .340 Weatherby.  That first bear that I took was still standing after the first shot so I tood the second one.  The first one would of done the job but on something that can and will eat you you make sure that he won't.

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I have a .375 H&H.  If I was

I have a .375 H&H.  If I was going I'd probably take that gun or my .300 win mag.  I'd want at least a 200 grain bullet.  Probably stick with my Sierra Game Kings.

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Well, if I was to ever go, I

Well, if I was to ever go, I would go with a Winchester 200 grain silvertip in the Model 71 .348 Winchester that my father just got.....

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I used a 180 gr Barnes TSX

I used a 180 gr Barnes TSX out of a .300 WSM for mine.  Went through both shoulders and kept going.  A buddy of mine got one the following year using Accubonds in a .325 WSM.  Even though he was about 40 yards closer, only one of his went through.  There's a lot to be said for weight retention.

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Here's a photo of a 200 gr

Here's a photo of a 200 gr Accubond recovered under the hide on the far side of an 8 ft brown bear, fired from a .325 WSM at 78 yards.  Final weight was 133 grains.

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bullet weight

First of all, I've never shot a Grizzly bear and congrats on yours! Now, I've been curious about the fairly new phenomena of getting high weight retention and just why that is. I agree to penetration and like to have two holes leaking as much sign as possible. But the idea that a bullet actually needs to retain a high % of weight to be effective is somehow lost on me. The original premium bullet was the Nosler Partition. It never claimed to have great weight retention, merely excellent penetration.

Of course, fast forward some 50 yrs and the Barnes X is all the rage because it penetrates and ALSO retains 90+% of it's original weight. Now it does not mushroom as large as a NP, but, by golly it maintains all that weight.

Hmmmmmmmm... this is where I become lost. I want lots of damage inside an animal and not just two caliber sized holes with total penetration as I've seen with X bullets. I've killed several animals with at least 4 different calibers of X bullets (NO bears, however). I see that 325 accubond as having done a fine job. Bear died, didn't he? I can bet cash money that the bullet opened more than an X would have (I own a .325).

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Barnes X Bullet

Tndeerhunter wrote:

Of course, fast forward some 50 yrs and the Barnes X is all the rage because it penetrates and ALSO retains 90+% of it's original weight. Now it does not mushroom as large as a NP, but, by golly it maintains all that weight.

Hmmmmmmmm... this is where I become lost. I want lots of damage inside an animal and not just two caliber sized holes with total penetration as I've seen with X bullets. I've killed several animals with at least 4 different calibers of X bullets (NO bears, however). I see that 325 accubond as having done a fine job. Bear died, didn't he? I can bet cash money that the bullet opened more than an X would have (I own a .325).

 

 

I have recovered a couple of 225 gr Barnes X bullets from elk and a few 250 gr Nosler Partitions also shot from my .340 Weatherby.  The Nosler lost just about all of its forward weight with the jacket pealing back down around its base and the lead that was exposed you really couldn't call a mushroomed bullet.  Now the Barnes that I recovered mushroomed perfectly as the forward portion pealed down the side of the bullet.  I have never seen a copper jacketed lead bullet mushroom as well as a Barnes copper one.  If I can find the Nosler Partition that I recovered I'll get a picture of it with the Barnes but it isn't where it is suppose to be at.   

As far as doing damage you would have to shoot each one into some balistic gell and see just when they started to expand and look at the wound channel to really tell.  But for me I have switched just about all my high power rifle rounds to the Barnes X bullets and have had no problems dropping animals with them. 

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Bullets are like race cars.

Bullets are like race cars.  The more it comes apart, the faster it sheds its energy.  This is fine when you are dealing with a lighter animal and want to transfer as much energy as possible to tissues on the way through.  But with heavy bears, you need the penetration.  It's been my experience that when it comes to penetration, the percentage of weight retained is more important than original weight or energy of the bullet...as evidenced by my .300 WSM out-penetrating a heavier .325 at a greater distance.  Yes, the Accubond did a fine job and its weight retention was within design parameters.  But it underscores the idea that you want the right bullet for the job.  I'd gladly use an Accubond in a lighter animal, but not necessarily for a brownie.

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I still like the idea of shedding energy myself, inside the animal! I do most certainly understand the concept of full penetration, but stop when I'm comparing that to dumping a bullet's energy outside the animal along with a smaller wound channel. I have learned a lot (I think!) from reading studies about the size of a wound channel and how effective that is when trying to shred an animal's innards in a highly efficient manner. One last comment, comparing bullet performance is a very difficult thing to do because no two bullets ever do exactly the same thing(s) as the proceed through an animal. Some hit a rib on the way in, some go between the ribs. Some hit a stout shoulder bone where it's 1" thick, another where it's only 1/2" thick, etc.

I can assure you that I'm not arguing the effectiveness some bullets can have. But give me full penetration with a bullet shedding some weight, creating additional small wound channels inside that animal's body, and I will accept that 100%.

Now, we can talk about a shot's effectiveness on an animal due to what that particular animal is actually doing at that moment too. I think this also makes a huge difference as to what occurs at bullet impact. But this is another entirely different subject.

For the record, I'd choose a 200gr Nosler Partition or 200gr TSX in my .325 as bullet of choice for big bears and give the nod to the NP if it shot equally well as the Barnes.

Thanks for you explanations and reasoning I do appreciate hearing and learning from another, alternate point of view.  Yes

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I don't think there's any

I don't think there's any universal answer.  I took a black bear with a .308 using a 165 gr Accubond and it did a great job...punched a hole the size of a 50 cent piece through both lungs and kept on going.  The bear ran about 20 yards and dropped.  The next year, my son took a black bear with the .300/TSX combination and dropped it in his tracks.  Overall, I think the Accubond creates a bigger wound channel than the TSX, provided you can live with the weight loss and aren't as worried about penetration.

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