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Went to the range today.

Well after picking up a few leftover tags for the family I headed out to the range. Both of my rifles needed zeroed as one is new and the other had a bunch of work done to it.

First my 7mag did great. I had put a new laminated stock with aluminum bedding block fron Stocky's on it and also had a muzzle beake installed. I had been having problems with the bolt sticking shut as well no matter what ammo I used. He installed the brake, polished the chamber due to possible scratches from hunting in some very dust conditions, polished the firing pin a few other small things. Rifle zeroed quickly and is shooting right at 3/4 of an inch at 100 with 160gr TSX. No more bolt sticking problems. Now despite what everyone thinks about them the Vais muzzle brake I had installed worked extremely well and I did not notice any more blast than the 270wsm I was shooting today as well, in fact it seemed even less and the recoil was very noticeably less. More like a .243.

My new Tikka 270wsm did not do nearly as well today. First of all I continue to have problems with the Zeiss 4.5x14 scope I have on it, I have tried everything but I can just not get a super clear focus on the reticle. Others don't seem to have the problem but it bothers me a lot. Probably gonna sell that one if I can. This gun did not at all likr the bullets brought with me and I was only able to get 2 inches with Winchester Supreme 140gr Accubonds. I also tried some Winchester 130gr Powermax as they are cheaper and did do better with those but the barell was getting too hot so I quit for the day. I don't think those are what I would want to hunt with though so I'll have to try some others. They shot to 2 inches at 200 btw. I will probably try some Tsx bullets in this one as well later as they shoot great in all the guns I've tried them in. Hopefully I will do better next time but my hunting plans for that rifle this year are over for now.

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shootin'

Nice to be shooting again, ain't it! It's a shame you didn't try sending the scope back to Zeiss to have them check it out. Sounds like your 7mag is ready to rock. What type of scope on it? I can understand your frustration with the Tikka, between the scope and a load it doesn't seem to love.

I believe I'd hunt with that Powermax Load in the .270WSM though, unless you find something that shoots better than MOA. I believe that it is Winchester's answer to Federal's Fusion load, pretty much the same type of bullet with no exposed lead tip and a bonded core & jacket. I've had good luck with the Fusions I've used for hunting.

Not a thing wrong with TSXs either. I've killed deer with them in 4 different chamberings, but I'm not convinced they are needed for deer-sized game. Good luck with your search though, for the perfect load for the SM !

I'm planning on going to the range tomorrow morning myself. I'll take my new Marlin 1895M, my 750 Carbine in .35 Whelen and a M70 FW in '06 to play with. Likely most all my shooting will be at short range, as two of those rifles are going on a bear-over-bait hunt next month and do not need to be sighted in at long range with those loads.

Hope it's cool early in the AM!

 

 

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Your right as I have not yet

Your right as I have not yet taken the time to send the scope in as I thought I would play with it a little more first. I also think I was blaming the scope more than I should have in my frustration with my shooting results. I still have a half box of the powermax loads I will try some more and I also plan to pick up a couple of others as well to try out.

My intended use for this rifle is for antelope mostly and maybe deer also so any good shooting load will be fine. If I do decide to put it up for the year the scope will be going back to get checked out and try it again next year.

The local range opens at 7 and if you get there then or at least try to be done by 10 it's pretty comfortable. Once the sun starts to beat on your back and the temp starts climbing it's not as much fun anymore. I did have sweat running in my eyes by the time I was done which I'm sure added to my problems. I just get stubborn and frustrated when things don't go as planned. Probably will be heading out Monday morning again for some more.

Almost forgot but my 700XCR is wearing a Leupold VXIII 3.5x10. Grey laminated stock which replaced the B&C thumbhole that was about as flexible as a noodle in the fore end. I also installed a Jewell trigger myself that was probably the best upgrade I've ever made to a rifle. Of course with all the money I've poured into this thing I now realize I could have probably just bought a custom in the first place.

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been doing a lot of plinking in my yard

Got a lot of friends of friends that I'm sort of coaching through everything to get them started on their first Colorado hunts this year.  Lot of new rifles floating around the place now.  Taking some of them a little bit of ego bursting to realize a .30-06 might be too much for them to easily handle and should step down a bit in power.  

But, it's about time I really started cranking the handloading production lines here.  I've got a lot of different things to load for and soon.

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I made it back out today. The

I made it back out today. The 7mag is 100% repeatable and ready to go. This time out with the Tikka 270wsm I tried some Federal loaded rounds with 130gr ballistic tips. It's not even the same rifle, barely over a half inch shot after shot. For some reason they had them priced 10 bucks a box less than normal everywhere I looked so I went back and bought 5 more to get stocked up for awhile. Not the tupe of bullet I wanted to use but it's been over 15 years since I've used them on game so maybe I'll give it another try. Antelope will be the target like I said so they should work well.

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those'll work great

That Ballistic Tip will be great for antelope and deer.  I'd use it on elk if that's all I had, but they are better suited to softer game.  Oh, and they punch some big holes.

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on that 270 wsm. my thought

on that 270 wsm. my thought is that a bullet with a lower BC will work better in that. i've looked up the twist rate on that and it's a 1 in 10". you could achieve this by trying the 140 grain bullets exclusively. or loading up some of the bullets with lower BC. i like using the berger vld's but my winchester with a 1 in 10 isn't ideal for that either.

i'd try using a 140 gr hornady interlock with 58.5 grains of H4831 first, then 58.5 grains of IMr 4350 second. my third resort is reloader 19, but my nosler manual says that H4831 is the most accurate tested.

if you want to be shooting the 130 grain bullets, you should go up to 62.5 grains of H4831

i've noticed that all of my 1 in 10" twist rifles shoot lighter bullets better. i've always suspected it was because of the ballistic coefficient.

if you want to shoot factory ammo, i'd get the hornady stuff, they load good factory ammo. not only is their brass a little higher quality, but they use good clean burning powders too.

 

 

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Thanks for the information.

Thanks for the information. My intention was to use 140's but the ones I tried didn't work so well. I don't reload yet but plan to get back into it by next year as I have most of the equipment just didn't have the space. I picked up the Federal loaded ballistic tips for less than 30 a box so I stocked up pretty good till I get the press set back up.

Thanks again for the info and I'll be putting it to good use soon.

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range

I started again sighting in the first weekend of this month.  My primary biggame rifle was dead on as it always is.  Firing only 21 rounds (7 groups of 3) of my hunting reloads over an hour period I managed to blow through all of what was left of that 50 round batch.  I reloaded a new 50 round batch this past weekend to the same specs and recipe I've always used for hunting.  Still need to test one or two 3 round groups or so just for good measure as I always do with each batch I load.

Seems like my Leupold always stay zero'd. 

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you made a good call on all counts, IMHO

Hunter25:  Thanks for the range report.  I think that you made a good call on all counts, IMHO. 

 You are right that it is always a good idea to check your zero before the season.  This is especially true if your  firearms have had work done on them or if they are new (or even new to you but not new from the factory).   It sounds like you found a good gunsmith to get the bugs worked out of the sticky action.  I can’t help but wonder if there was dirt still in the action binding it up rather than  there being any scratches in the chamber - but in any case, I am glad that the repairs worked out for you and that they seemed to cure the problems for you. 

I'm surprised to hear of the problems you are having with the Tikka rifle and the Zeiss optics.  I have not owned either brand but they are both well recommended.  I would have expected the Zeiss to be exceptionally clear based strictly on their reputation. It just goes to reinforce that you have to test things before you rely on them.  You are right on track with your plan to sell the scope if it doesn’t work well for you and do everything that you expect it to.  If the scope isn’t clear for you then it should move along to a new owner who likes it better.  Do other users have the same issue with your scope or are you comparing comments on a similar scope by other users rather than from other folks using your individual scope?  I wonder if it is somehow cloudy with moisture sealed inside or some film on the lens itsef internally?  It might be worth sending back to the manufacturer  for refurbishment unless other users don’t have the same problem with that individual scope.  It is possible that it could be just the unique combination of those lenses with your eyes.  In either case – it is not the tool that you want to hunt with until after that has been resolved. 

While I have not used the rifle or that brand of scope, I have used the Barnes TSX bullets and they have proven accurate for me in a couple of different calibers so I would expect them to do as well for you too.  Keep us posted as you sort out the issues and find a good hunting load in future range sessions and good luck out there this season.

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Hummm

 I seem's like a lot of people that buy commercial ammo have accuracy problems with premium bullet's. Then so do some handloaders but often they fool with the load and find one they can live with. It also seem's to me that when someone does have a problem with premiun ammo, they try out some inexpensive factory load that works well for them. Is it me or does anyone else see that too?

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