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What do you propose BGH should do? Ban or edit the dissenters?

Dissenters from what? Hunting? The only controversy I've ever read is fenced versus public land or on making very long shots. Politics? Does BGH have a political stance? I've read the FAQ nothing there.

Kos is mainstream, one of the largest internet portals for politics. Take a look at their FAQs, most the good stuff is under "Trolls". The place most conservatives get hung up is in posting Republican talking points that are simply untrue, or in posting or replying to comments to get a reaction or arguement. Like claiming Obama is a Muslim or other nutty stuff. Likewise whole posts about Palin/babies/etc were deleated, too weird.

Just to give you an indication the number of pro hunting pro second amendment responses I've read there outnumber those here by about 50/1. There are rediculous lefty posts, but at over 100 posts per day they quickly get lost due to lack of response or recomendation. Obama has posted twice, hardly left win in general. I'd characterise Kos as a centrist Democrat Forum.

I read two other Forums on different subjects, more on them later, one thing all forums seem to have in common is that moderators don't take part in discussions.

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civetcat is constantly smeared as not being a shooter or hunter, has been called a liar, has been made fun of, and nary a word is said when that is directed at him. But, when he makes the slightest comment that could be construed in some far fetched way to be negative he is pounced upon by at least six different members here. Doesn't seem completely stand up to me.

SoCo, civet dishes it out as much as he receives. He (and you do too) make some nutty statements and then get offended when you're called on them. I find most folks on here to be civil and respectful in their posts. Its hard not to get emotional when crazy stuff gets posted. The two of you have done your share of name calling.

So back to my question. What do you propose BGH should do? Ban or edit the dissenters?

No links to provide. I didn't save any of the stuff I read, didn't care to. It was during the campaign and most was quite vile. I don't make a habit of visiting leftwing sites. In fact I'll visit MSM sites over leftwing, at least there is hope of finding some news instead of just opinion.

I have never asked for anyone to be banned nor do I wish to. You consider me a dissenter correct? Are you asking me if I feel you should ban me?

Please direct me to the 'nutty' things I have posted and any reaction, I had that wasn't reasonable.

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I have never asked for anyone to be banned nor do I wish to. You consider me a dissenter correct? Are you asking me if I feel you should ban me?

Please direct me to the 'nutty' things I have posted and any reaction, I had that wasn't reasonable.

A dissenter is anyone that disagrees with another; their philosophy, beliefs, etc. You complained about how unfairly you & civetcat are being treated here, that's why I asked what you suggest should be done with the folks that disagree with you? I personally do not feel anyone should be banned or censored for their beliefs. Only foul language should be censored.

As for the nutty stuff, just cruise back through some of the older threads. Don't have time to search right now.

Civetcat, Kos is not mainstream. Its not even centrist, it most definitely leans to the left.

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cowgal wrote:
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I have never asked for anyone to be banned nor do I wish to. You consider me a dissenter correct? Are you asking me if I feel you should ban me?

Please direct me to the 'nutty' things I have posted and any reaction, I had that wasn't reasonable.

A dissenter is anyone that disagrees with another; their philosophy, beliefs, etc. You complained about how unfairly you & civetcat are being treated here, that's why I asked what you suggest should be done with the folks that disagree with you? I personally do not feel anyone should be banned or censored for their beliefs. Only foul language should be censored.

As for the nutty stuff, just cruise back through some of the older threads. Don't have time to search right now.

Civetcat, Kos is not mainstream. Its not even centrist, it most definitely leans to the left.

Correction cowgal, I am not 'complaining' about it. It doesn't bother me, I bring it up when I see others whining about mostly what civet posts. I see it as hypocrisy and point it out in the hopes some will see what hypocrites they are acting like and quit whining. civet hasn't ever posted anything a self confident man or woman should get their shorts bunched up over.

Ha, ha, cruise back and look for my 'nutty' stuff.......... Ha, ha! I guess it all depends on which side of the fence you are viewing it from.

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Ha, ha, cruise back and look for my 'nutty' stuff.......... Ha, ha! I guess it all depends on which side of the fence you are viewing it from.

Exactly! Laugh

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They are very lenient on nasty words but much of what is normal fare here would get you instantly banned.

So would you prefer to be banned here since you don't fit in with the majority? Your above statement is a contradiction. You state that Kos is lenient on nasty words but yet you would get banned for what? disagreeing? telling someone the facts?

I have visited Kos, Huffington Post and others and quite frankly, I don't find them to be pleasant experiences at all. During this past campaign in particular, there was a huge amount of misinformation and distortion about McCain and Palin being passed around. Why would anyone want to step into a discussion like that? In fact they weren't discussions, it was outright bashing.

civetcat is constantly smeared as not being a shooter or hunter, has been called a liar, has been made fun of, and nary a word is said when that is directed at him. But, when he makes the slightest comment that could be construed in some far fetched way to be negative he is pounced upon by at least six different members here. Doesn't seem completely stand up to me.

I read the huff all the time and the blogs I read are definitely Democrat but seem to be that point of view presented respectfully. I also read the comments after the articles and yes, again obviously most are from Democrats, but I see conservatives post their disagreements and they aren't treated disrespectfully. Sure, people post they don't agree with them much like we do here, but no overt disrespect. Cowgal if you can provide a link to an example please do.

I've never read the KOS or any other 'liberal' cite and don't care to. I predominantly check out fitness sites, hunting sites, the huff post, this site, and that's about it. I get much of my right wing political information from all the hunting sites I visit. I didn't start going to hunting sites for that (for hunting info rather) but always saw a political forum on those sites and felt compelled to check them out and then became mystified and awed by some of the BS I read in them.

I've not called him a liar, but I have pointed out when he was lying and he has yet to dispute my allegations. What do you expect when someone falsely states something or intentionally misrepresents something - just to ignore it or call them on it?

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civetcat is constantly smeared as not being a shooter or hunter, has been called a liar, has been made fun of, and nary a word is said when that is directed at him. But, when he makes the slightest comment that could be construed in some far fetched way to be negative he is pounced upon by at least six different members here. Doesn't seem completely stand up to me.

He's smeared and called a liar (at least by me) because he is on the gun issue anyway. A little advice, don't go on a gun blog and BS if you don't know your subject. You might get called on it. Duh! As far as being pounced on by all here, your on a predominately right wing web site. In the words of an old friend of mine " if you dont want to get eaten, don't go where they're eating people. " As far as banning or censuring anyone I have never and will never advocate the violations of your first amendment rights. In fact I think most of us enjoy your being here. Debating with you is fun. I like having my beliefs challenged. It makes for provocative thought. I think having you as our "token" lefties is good for the site in general. Preaching to the choir is not as much fun as batteling it out with you. Challenge you? Yes. Debate you? Allways. Silence you? Never.

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To my knowledge the only person that has gone crying to the moderator about a post is Civetcat. The rest of us give and take it without whining to the Mod that a post was offensive.

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To tell the truth I don't remember anyone calling me a liar. Regarding what? Most forums seem to have some sort of understanding about personal attacks if only self moderated. When someone starts calling names I usually figure it's because they lost an arguement and they know it. I also don't mind getting ganged up on, it's like little gnats.

I did call the moderators attention to an extremely offensive post, but I didn't ask for anything to be deleated or anyone banned. Myself I find that kind of talk loathsome. Murder and torture of unarmed POWs is considered a war crime the world over, the moderator said that he considers the people captured and incarcerated in Gitmo to be terrorists (why and what that means I'm not sure) and therefore talking about doing those sorts of things to them is ok. Or that's the way I understoood what he wrote. I'm pretty suprised, on most issues conservatives and moderates actually have some common ground, I guess that's one where we don't. For me that sort of thing is worse than the N word, dropping the F bomb and a lot of other things. Perhaps we come from different backgrounds.

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"They are very lenient on nasty words but much of what is normal fare here would get you instantly banned".

"So would you prefer to be banned here since you don't fit in with the majority? Your above statement is a contradiction. You state that Kos is lenient on nasty words but yet you would get banned for what? disagreeing? telling someone the facts? "

Gratuitous trolling, personal attacks, continued use of non facts will get you in trouble most places. I sure would like to see a link to the posts that got Expat limited to 4 posts a day. By their very nature web forums often have disagreement, a dissenting view is no reason for trouble on any forum I've ever seen, as long as it's presented honestly using reputable sources.

Sure would like a link to expats posts or to know what his username is so I could judge for myslef.

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Help me understand, if you didn't want the post deleted or the poster banned, then what was the purpose of bringing it to the mods attention?

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