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Voter Registration

To vote in Colorado you have to have some sort of id (state issued driver license or id) in order to register to vote and you must register about a month before the election day.

I'm surprised to learn that some states do not require these sorts of checks against voter fraud. For instance in arguing before the SCOTUS this week in a voter registration case, Ms Brunner (Ohio S.O.S.) stated that as many as 200,000 of 660,000 new voter registrants might be disqualified because of typographical errors in matching name, state id, and SSN.

What? That is a thirty percent error rate! If you can't spell your name, list your state id number and your SSN correctly there is one of two possibilities:

1.) Voting is above your pay grade.
2.) Your trying to commit fraud.

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I too live in Colorado, there's a lot of misunderstanding about voter fraud and registration, perhaps I can clear things up a little.

First some definitions voter registration fraud is when an $8 an hour canvaser writes down some names instead of knocking on a door. Or when some smart alec at the door writes down the name Micky Mouse. Any registration application with anything written on it has to be turned in anyway, it's the law. Otherwise you have canvasers saying "well he's a republican and we don't want him, we'll throw that application out". Every application gets turned in, it's the law.

What they can and do do is flag the applications that they think are bogus for review by the workers at the secretary of state.

Far more common are the tyographical errors, this is not fraud but a mistake. Famously Joe the Plumber had his name misspelled on his voter registration causing reporters to eroneously think he's not registered to vote in Ohio. (He voted in the primaries). Of the five sitting Ohio supreme court judges it was discovered four of them had these types of errors. All that is needed is to have any two official records not have an exact match. Perhaps a street name was misspelled when a clerk was entering your name at motor vehicals. The more official records you have the greater chance of a mismatch.

The typographical errors usually aren't a problem unless someone challenges them. Election judges when you go to vote ask for and look at your ID, if there is a misspelling of your address or somethig they aren't concerned, there is only one Bitmaster living at 589 Sprawlville Place in Englewood.

By searching the web site of the State of Colorado you can find out if your registration is good. I suggest you do so. Even though we might vote differently I value your vote and your right to vote. It is the bedrock of the democracy in which we live. We vote. Not every citizen of every country has this right, believe me I know.

The second type of fraud is just regular old vote fraud. Dead people voting or voting under an assumed name, or voting when not a citizen. Doesn't happen. Mickey Mouse does not vote. It's hard enough just to get people who are eligable to vote to do so, no one is going to go to the bother of voting fraudulently and risk long jail time. Doesn't happen, it's a myth to scare people. Anyone involved with the campaign knows it's much easier to get votes by registering new voters or getting registered voters to the polls.

There are very pervasive other methods of affecting the outcome of voting. One is most famously to bring an indictment against members of the other party two weeks before elections. This was done by the United States Attourneys in many states during the last election cycle and resulted in the US Attourney scandal, the resignation of Attourney Generel Gonzalez, the resignation of the head of voting fraud Solzman and so on. The folks who were supposed to be protecting our right to vote were actually denying it. It's being done again this cylce against the organising group ACORN. Easiest way to stop them from getting out the vote is to tie them down with indictmenst, they'll spend all their time and efforts on legal stuff and have not time for get out the vote efforts.

To steal someones right to vote is called disenfranchisement. For instance in Colorado if you newly registered to vote by mail and entered your last 4 digits of your SS as well as your drivers license # you are technicaly filling out the form wrong. The directions say "either or". There's also a tiny box that you should have checked.

A third common way to steal votes is to just assign few voting machines to the precincts that might be predominantly voters of the other party. If lines are four of five hours long half the people won't even vote. Imagine arriving to vote at 6 o'clock after working all day and realizing you might have to wait in line until 11 at night. And yet voters just twenty miles away in the same state have a 5 minute line. That's Ohio in 04.

One way to avoid all these problems is to allow everyone to vote. They do this in North Dakota and it works out fine. You go to the polls and vote. If you aren't on the lists you sign up right then. In my mind the more people that vote the better, that way we don't end up with a president who is elected by 25% of the people eligable to do so.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/18/washington/18scotus.html?ref=politics
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/17/us/politics/17vote.html?ref=politics
Opinion piece
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/17/opinion/17fri1.html
Regular news again
http://www.opednews.com/articles/McCain-and-Republican-Lies-by-Steven-Le...
http://www.missoulian.com/articles/2008/10/15/news/local/news03.txt
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081014/POLITICS01/81...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/17/AR200810...
Joe the Plumber http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/uselectionroadtrip/2008/oct/17/uselectio...

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Oh, and about voting being above one's pay grade.

All citizens are eligable and welcome to vote. I often hear or read things that seem just plain uninformed and uneducated. All are welcome in the democratic process, if we start pointing fingers at the ignorant we might end up looking in the mirror.

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Voter fraud that allows someone to register and vote multiple times disenfranchises me, because I only get to vote once.

As for "stealing" votes by limiting voting machines in particular precincts, I assume you're bringing up Florida again. I'd just like to remind you that such things are controlled by local precincts, which represent the political mix of the local constituency -- Republicans weren't in charge.

As far as bringing indictments against politicians late in an election cycle, the Dems practically invented that game. If you look at the big turnovers in 2006, it's uncanny how many Dems won their seats on allegations of scandal -- Webb, McCaskill, and Tester are three that come to mind off the top of my head, not to mention Tom DeLay and Mark Foley going out the door. This year in Alaska they're going after Ted Stevens, Don Young, and Sarah Palin (who, by the way, was found to have been operating within her authority when she fired the Director of Public Safety).

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I'd feel a lot better about ACORN if there were some public statistics that showed the voters they registered had an unaffiliated, democrat, and republican spread that is similar to the general population in the area they are canvasing.

Still find it hard to believe that 30% of submitted new registrations do not match the ssn or dl id on hand in OH.

I've never had a problem with ignorance alone. Ignorance is simply a lack of knowledge. On the other hand I have a big problem with lack of responsibility. Voting is a right but you still have to be responsible in getting your records straight before getting to vote. This isn't denying the vote, its simply being a responsible citizen.

In an age of identity theft, I'm not ok with the idea of people just showing up at some voting area rattling off some name then getting to vote w/o showing a state issued photo id that is verified.

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