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FOR THE RECORD.....I sat in one of my tree stands this evening for the last hour and a half of daylight. Didn't see anything, or hear anything......DAMN! It was nice and enjoyable!! Thumbs up

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For the record..........dogs encroached onto property again today...I simply ventured down on the highest oak ridge on the farm and ran the loudest powersaw I own....Accomplished 2 things.......cut some needed firewood, and hopefully prevented the club from hearing their dogs for a while.

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You will find that no matter where you hunt that if hounds are used they will end up in places they shouldn't be but dogs don't know boundy lines and can't read posted sign. Some hunt clubs will let the dogs run deer right through a piece of land with the hopes the deer will run onto the clubs land. I'm military and 2 of the 4 area bases I hunt I have had run in with dogs. Its one thing when the dogs run onto posted private land they shouldn't be but its another when handles let them run through federal lands inwhich the RTR does not apply. Your talking felony charges now for entering such lands. Had 4 hounds and a guy on an ATV on one such base 2 days ago several hundred yards from the property line. Yes I made a report about the guy and the dogs. I do enjoy the sounds of the dogs running and will shoot a deer if run past me. But i also do enjoy the quiet sounds of nature.
The main issue boils down to some folks like to still hunt and listen to the sounds of nature. Other like to run dogs and hear the sounds of the dogs in chase. The still hunters must contend with the dogs pushing the deer away from them when the dogs venture onto the wrong lands. The handlers feel its no big deal if this happens. Plus they feel permision or not they can venture anyplace they with in collecting up the dogs.
I see no middle ground ever being reached as many on both sides feel strongly about there choice of hunting methods.
Here in VA the same debate goes on over the Sunday hunting issue yet that boils down to a hunting with hounds issue as well besides the day of rest for all game and you should be at church issue.
Me personally I'm all for Sunday hunting. I have hound hunted 1 time and enjoyed it but not the mentality of a few hunters. Those few way heavy on my ideas of hound hunting.

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I agree. I am not against Sunday hunting as a general rule, but I don't even want to think about what it would be like around here during dog season on Sundays. Saturdays are bad enough.

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Lone Predator wrote:
I agree. I am not against Sunday hunting as a general rule, but I don't even want to think about what it would be like around here during dog season on Sundays. Saturdays are bad enough.

10-4 on that!

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All Sportsmen Must Become Ambassadors for Hunting

The Hound study has elevated all hunting in the public mind. DGIF has branded you as criminals in the eyes of many. The Humane Society of the United States in the letter to the Hound Study said, ”As the Department of Game and Inland Fisheries (VDGIF) points out, the public is opposed to the use of hounds for chasing and hunting wildlife and at the very least supports restriction of this practice, but these sentiment were ignored by the SAC.”

This ultra-radical organization, that has been linked to and endorses the terrorist organizations the Environmental Liberation Front (ELF) and the Animal Liberation Front (ALF), is trying to smear Virginia Hound Hunting.

We have proven that the Hound Hunting community is law-abiding. We also know that there are a few ‘bad actors’ in our midst. Every hunter must do three things:

1. Obey and Enforce the Law

Every hunter must not only obey the game laws, but must report violators in their midst. We cannot tolerate lawlessness among our ranks. The law applies to all who hunt, NO EXCEPTIONS! Make sure that the people you hunt with have a copy and have read the entire game regulation summary! VHDA took a small ad in the publication to show our support for following the law. Report violators! This study has inflamed many people, watch for people stealing dogs, removing tracking collars, shooting dogs and harassing hunters. You must politely demand that the law enforcement officers enforce the law!

The Code of Virginia allows you to retrieve your dog from private property that you are otherwise prohibited from entering. If you do so, get your dog(s) and get off the property as quickly and quietly as possible. After all the property does not belong to you. Leave no trash, close gates and if approached by a landowner, Be Polite! You have a right to retrieve your dog, but please ask permission first if you can.

Often you are in a hurry to catch a dog before he gets into the road or away from you, please remember to stop at the house and tell the landowner why you were there and thank them for being understanding. Do not get into arguments, while the law is on your side you need all the friends you can get!

Meeting the landowners around the area you hunt before the season begins is the best “scouting time” you can spend. Get to know the neighbors! Landowner relations are extremely important! It costs nothing to be polite and respectful of everyone you meet. Treat others as you would be treated is part of the moral code of every one of the
worlds major religions. We, as hunters, must do a better job of respecting people that disagree with us.

2. Educate Your Fellow Hunters

Make sure the folks you hunt with know the law and the rules, and have the correct attitude about exercising their rights! If you let those you hunt with know that you expect ethical behavior, they will either agree or hunt elsewhere. Conservation ethic has been passed down from father to son for centuries. Clubs and hunting groups need to be aware that we are the “original conservationists”, and they must teach the new guy and not just children, the right way (and why) of doing things. If we fail to do this our future in the outdoors we love may be bleak indeed.

The VHDA will begin to talk more about ethical hunting practices, not to preach to anyone, but to develop a consensus Code of Ethics. Remember that while some groups of hunters are not standing with you now, we must be ready to welcome them back into the Sportsmen’s fold because we must be united against a well funded foe.

3. Talk about hunting to the non-hunting public

Everyone who hunts must become an Ambassador for hunting and especially hunting with dogs. The non-hunting person that lives in an apartment or on a quarter acre in a sub-division has the same vote that you do on Election Day. The HSUS and P.E.T.A. are raising hundreds of millions of dollars by misleading folks to believe that they care about animal welfare, when they are radical vegans who want to end the domestication of animals and prevent you from eating meat. They don’t care that your animals are among the best treated and cared for animals in existence. They intentionally mislead the public into believing that what you do when you hunt or in the manner that you care for your dogs is cruel.

You are the best defense against their lies. Most of us love our dogs (my wife sometimes thinks too much) and our pride in them shows. Talk to non-hunters about the care of dogs, how much they love to run, tell them about the role that hunting plays in public safety. Most Virginians have either had an auto accident or know someone who has within the last year or two. Use the information about the economic impact of hunting with dogs on the Virginia economy.

All thinking Americans are concerned about the economic well being of our nation. Most Virginians who do not hunt, but have some knowledge of the controversy think it has to do with complaints. We have provided you with all the proof you need to dispel that. See our web site for the complaint number by county. Remember that DGIF has only obtained and average of 179 conviction per year for the last three years for trespassing statewide! Those convictions were not about hunting with dogs they were for All hunting, fishing and trapping. That is less than two per county per year! DGIF has tried to convince anybody who would listen that there are many un-recorded complaints or that local sheriff departments would not do their job and turn the complaint over to DGIF.

The statewide conviction record speaks for it self. With a THREE BILLION DOLLAR state budget shortfall they are asking for more wardens! The bureaucrats want more money, more authority. They grow like kudzu and consume everything. But they have forgotten that you the hunter and fisherman pay their salary! When they begin to remember who they are paid by, we will support them, but not before!

All VHDA Board members are real hunters who own dogs. The VHDA has no paid staff. We pay our own expenses because “We HAVE a dog in this fight!” If we sometimes sound angry, it is because we are! We would prefer to be hunting, teaching our children about the wonders that God has given us and training our dogs. We know that we must have a strong voice or we will lose to people, who not only disagree with you... but hate and revile you because you hunt.

Email: info@vahda.org

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georgia girl wrote:
I as an avid still hunter AND dog hunter am completely ashamed of all of you! WE as well as our fishermen, need to stand together. There are many types of hunting I do not totally agree with, BUT I would never appoint myself as anyones judge!! as long as game is legally taken who has the right? ethics belong to the hunter. the hunt belongs to the hunter. for my fellow dog hunters, please be respectful and ethical, even if the respect is not returned. and for my fellow still hunters, please be aware that that ALL hunting is being jeopardized, deer- dog hunting is just a stepping stone, If dog hunting is done away with, please know that still hunting will be next!!!!, and fishing to follow.
I would like you all to know there is no right way to hunt. That my friends is up to the hunter.
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Thumbs up website has been update in the NEWS

http://vahda.org/PDFs/hunting%20flyer%20rev.pdf

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Dog Hunting Unless you're the dog!

Howdy ya'll. My name is Jeff. I have been hunting since I was old enough to shoot a shot gun. It always seemed to me when my dad took me hunting he never took a dog along. It was just us and God's creation. He and my mother rabbitt hunted before I was ever born and he never spoke of using a dog. I remember hearing him laugh as he would say," Your mama would walk up to a pile of brush or some vine tangled limbs with me and shake em, and out ran the rabbitt," when I got older I found out that worked just fine. But we're not talking about rabbitt hunting are we? No, we're talking about the infamous white tail. I have read some of your comments on this matter and just like eons past we are all entitled to our opinion. But sometimes you have to draw a line between fact and opinion. When you say, "I'm going hunting," that is to say you are going hunting, not sending a dog to do it for you. Where I live dog hunters of sorts have no ethics as georgia girl pointed out. If their dogs get past them as often they do and come busting through your tree stand area that you have not only poured money into nurturing for your deer but got up at 4:00 AM for the past two years trying to figure out their habbits and how to bag some meat for your family in these uncertain days, it's no big deal. Where is your so called ethics in that? Beside the fact that it's like shooting fish in a barrell. We lose enough deer to road kill beside the some odd hundred deer these so called hunting clubs kill in the couple of months of modern firearm season. I know of a club that threw away four deer in one day so they could make another hunt because twenty-seven deer just wasn't enough. So before you go praising a bunch of dog hunters ask yourself about the future of our sons growing up with a passion of the sport. I'm not anti-dog hunting but I do believe there should be more strict laws for it. And as someone stated How you hunt is up to you, but have some respect for people who believe still hunting is the right way to do it.

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I've got a great deer dog for sale if anyone is interested Thumbs up

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