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Hokieman wrote:
tesoronut - I don't know your situation but if you would like to pm me your contact information I might be able to help you resolve it.

Thanks, Hokieman. So far, we have gotten past 2 days of deer season, without one problem, which is kinda unusual. Perhaps these folks realize that they are not helping themselves out any, and maybe they are going to straighten-up. I hope this year will be an exception to the norm. Thanks for your offer. I can tell that you have alot of good ethics about you. I Wish more folks did. Good Luck hunting this year.......

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tesoronut wrote:
I have never had a problem with the "right to retrieve" law. If a coon hunter comes up to my house in the middle of the night, saying that his dogs are back here, not only will I show them how to get back there, I will let them drive and take a gun to get the coon. If a hunt club that is "semi-local" wants to go back there to get their deer dogs, the same. But the LOCAL band of mis-fits, drunks, and sneaky bastards know better than to come here and even ask. Bottom line is.....some bad apples make it hard on the good ones. There is NO solution to this problem, because you can't lump all clubs into one group when you have this situation. That's awful hard on the enforcement end of it. I just gave permission to ALL VDGIF employees to hunt this place. I want them to have a good time, and see what I have to put up with. They are willing to accept my offer. Stay tuned........ Big smile

tesoronut, I also have property in Lunenburg. I have been fighting a hunt club for years and winning a little each year. Yesterday, they ran their dogs through my property on purpose. That will cost them.

Last year one was arrested for driving on my property after his dogs. The Judge ordered them all to keep off the property. The sad thing is, th hunt club members seem to all live in Mecklinburg and I caught one that lived in Richmond.

There are good hunt clubs in Lunenburg and I have good relations with them. All of them hate this particular club because they hunt the other clubs property too,

I don't support a ban on dog hunting but I DO support putting some teeth in th entry law. Why do the dog hunters fight real penalties fro entering posted property with weapons or driving a vehicle on it in complete violation of the law?

Yesterday while sitting in my stand and seeing nothing but dogs, I took pictures again. Once again, I'll go to the General Assembly and push for reasonable laws. THE DOG HUNTERS ARE DESTROYING THEIR OWN SPORT.

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Welcome to BGH peter nap.
Thanks for posting your experiences.
I agree they are ruining their own sport.

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peter nap wrote:
tesoronut wrote:
I have never had a problem with the "right to retrieve" law. If a coon hunter comes up to my house in the middle of the night, saying that his dogs are back here, not only will I show them how to get back there, I will let them drive and take a gun to get the coon. If a hunt club that is "semi-local" wants to go back there to get their deer dogs, the same. But the LOCAL band of mis-fits, drunks, and sneaky bastards know better than to come here and even ask. Bottom line is.....some bad apples make it hard on the good ones. There is NO solution to this problem, because you can't lump all clubs into one group when you have this situation. That's awful hard on the enforcement end of it. I just gave permission to ALL VDGIF employees to hunt this place. I want them to have a good time, and see what I have to put up with. They are willing to accept my offer. Stay tuned........ Big smile

tesoronut, I also have property in Lunenburg. I have been fighting a hunt club for years and winning a little each year. Yesterday, they ran their dogs through my property on purpose. That will cost them.

Last year one was arrested for driving on my property after his dogs. The Judge ordered them all to keep off the property. The sad thing is, th hunt club members seem to all live in Mecklinburg and I caught one that lived in Richmond.

There are good hunt clubs in Lunenburg and I have good relations with them. All of them hate this particular club because they hunt the other clubs property too,

I don't support a ban on dog hunting but I DO support putting some teeth in th entry law. Why do the dog hunters fight real penalties fro entering posted property with weapons or driving a vehicle on it in complete violation of the law?

Yesterday while sitting in my stand and seeing nothing but dogs, I took pictures again. Once again, I'll go to the General Assembly and push for reasonable laws. THE DOG HUNTERS ARE DESTROYING THEIR OWN SPORT.

Wow, Peter, I just read your post here after getting your PM. Good chance we're having problems with some of the same individuals, ALTHOUGH.....This season has been going very peacefully here so far, So I don't want to "jinx" myself by commenting. The dogs came through this morning, but I slept late, and don't know where they put them in at......I'll give 'em the benefit of the doubt at THIS point..........

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PETER NAP WROTE:

"THE DOG HUNTERS ARE DESTROYING THEIR OWN SPORT."

I hate to inform of the fact that dog hunters are in fact hunters, therefore, "their own sport" as you put it, is in fact your sport too!!! HUNTING.
I watched this same situation unfold in Florida, dog hunting was almost completely banned, management areas closed, not only to dog hunters, but also to still hunters. Hunting leases were not given the option to renew their leases, Timber companies wouldn't lease land to hunting clubs, for any kind of hunting. I moved to Georgia. We have had all the same kind of crap to put up with just like you. BUTwe have learned from our past mistakes of bickering back and to about each other( dog hunters vs. still hunters ) that we have to stand together, our fishermen also, or we will jeopardizing losing what we love, HUNTING.
Most people on this site seem to think all dog hunters are rude, unethical, and criminal. Their not. There are just as many rude, unethical, criminal still hunters out there. To put it simply, a person that breaks the law is a criminal. You shouldn't judge a whole group of fellow sportsmen on the actions of a few. If you are not part of the solution, you only add fuel to the fire that, I guarantee, from experience in two states, will not only burn the dog hunters, but you also.

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georgia girl wrote:
PETER NAP WROTE:

"THE DOG HUNTERS ARE DESTROYING THEIR OWN SPORT."

I hate to inform of the fact that dog hunters are in fact hunters, therefore, "their own sport" as you put it, is in fact your sport too!!! HUNTING.
I watched this same situation unfold in Florida, dog hunting was almost completely banned, management areas closed, not only to dog hunters, but also to still hunters. Hunting leases were not given the option to renew their leases, Timber companies wouldn't lease land to hunting clubs, for any kind of hunting. I moved to Georgia. We have had all the same kind of crap to put up with just like you. BUTwe have learned from our past mistakes of bickering back and to about each other( dog hunters vs. still hunters ) that we have to stand together, our fishermen also, or we will jeopardizing losing what we love, HUNTING.
Most people on this site seem to think all dog hunters are rude, unethical, and criminal. Their not. There are just as many rude, unethical, criminal still hunters out there. To put it simply, a person that breaks the law is a criminal. You shouldn't judge a whole group of fellow sportsmen on the actions of a few. If you are not part of the solution, you only add fuel to the fire that, I guarantee, from experience in two states, will not only burn the dog hunters, but you also.

Hey, GG. I don't have that opinion of all dog hunters, and I don't think Peter does, either. Heck, I like to hear a good chase, myself. I enjoy all forms of hunting......always have. I guess some folks have simply had more issues with persistant problems than others. I'm happy about things so far this year, and I can't help but wonder that the "mediation" that has recently taken place within Va. has helped. Looks like it has, to me(at least around here). Those "forums" were a good thing, and hopefully some issues have been settled. Virginia has done well with it's attempts to make all hunters and landowners "get along" I commend them. By the way,.....are you the "Georgia Girl" that I have communicated with on a metal-detecting forum? If so, "hello". Thumbs up

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I hate to do a "180" here, but..........

The first week of the season(I had to work) went well, and I really thought things had changed. I was convinced that the local 'nuissance" club was going to 'turn over a new leaf" and not be as persistant of a problem as before. HOW WRONG I WAS. This week has been HELL, with dogs encroached on my property each and every day, which was done by access of a small piece of property that is being used as a "back door" to put the dogs in. So, I haven't bothered hunting on my own place. No need........I give up.........No more "benefit of the doubt" given to them. They won't ever change. STRENGTH IN NUMBERS!!......... Brick Wall,) After many years of problems(with the SAME club) , I've come to the conclusion that legislation may be the only salvation to this problem. So, those who don't want to see deer dog hunters "punished" for the actions of a few clubs, please hear me out......I can ONLY form an opinion based on MY bad experiences with ONE hunt club. I can't form an opinion in Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, or elsewhere, because there may be a justifiable argument on either side of this bad fence(in those locations). I only know what's going on HERE. And it ain't pretty......... Brick Wall,)

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My offer still stands. Please PM me your information. Thanks

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Hokieman wrote:
My offer still stands. Please PM me your information. Thanks

I sent you a P.M, but I know these guys in my neighborhood too well to think that any type of "mediation" will have a positive effect. They pretty much are going to do whatever they want, regardless of the consequences. That I KNOW. They are ABOVE THE LAW......... eye roll

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