I found this story and its a good reminder to know what your shooting at.
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Sat, 2011-10-22 14:45
Sat, 2011-10-22 19:46#1
Very sad indeed. It still
Very sad indeed. It still amazes me that people will take a shot without being absolutely positive of what it is they are shooting at. mistaking a man for a bear is pretty bad. My condolences to the family as things like this you can never really get over.
Sun, 2011-10-23 11:46#2
Yeah I feel bad for both
Yeah I feel bad for both families involved here. I wasn't there so I can't speculate on how he mistook a person for a bear, But I have hunted down in the area and it pretty open. It's not the real thick stuff that western Oregon in known for. After reading the story I tried to look up when the last time there was a hunter related death and it's been a few years. I send my prayers out to both familes. Remember to be safe and know what you shooting at, When in dought don't shoot.
Mon, 2011-10-24 08:11#3
Man, I don't usually feel bad
Man, I don't usually feel bad for the person who does something like that, because there is absolutely no excuse. But, I can't think of a worse situation. A grandfather, teaching his grandson to hunt, makes a horrible decision to take a shot like that. In an instant, he took a life, changed the lives of many families, and could have very well ended a young man's hunting career before it even got started. Very sad indeed.
Of course, deepest sympathies to the hiker and his family. One minute going for a nice hike, the next minute you are gone.
I actually ran into a few while I was out yesterday. Strolling right along in the middle of nowhere. Worst fo all, they were wearing brown/dark blue clothing. I know everyone has the right to share the woods, but guys, you gotta be smart. Know that it's opening weekend of rifle, and wear something bright!
Mon, 2011-10-24 10:46#4
My condolences to both
My condolences to both families. Very tragic to say the least.
That said, most people if asked when hunting season is they would say, "Fall." Most that hike frequently in well or even moderately travelled areas never connect the dots of hunting season and hunting area and I need to wear blaze orange with a neon sign. They wear whatever they would normally. I was on my way back to camp after walking a ridge the first afternoon of 1st rifle and ran into a couple and their dogs. They were very suprised to see an elk hunter and asked, "There are elk down here!?" "Yep, plenty of track by the stream and poop up in the draws." I know the hunter is about to tear his own insides out due to guilt and I feel bad for him. But we gotta know our target and what's behind it. No excuses.
Mon, 2011-10-24 20:43#5
Failing to follow the golden
Failing to follow the golden rule cost this young man his life. Not sure how you can mistake a man for a bear or how you can shoot before being 100% sure of your target. Especially in bear hunting you need to be sure it is not a sow with a cub or two. Tragic loss of life and I am sure a very hard thing for the hunter and his grand son to live with.
Wed, 2011-11-02 20:49#6
Guy's on ifish been talking about it since it happened. They want to redo the hunter safty class so everyone has to take it. I seriously doubt that it would have helped in this case, maybe not in most cases. Knee jerk reaction to a very preventable act. I think it would be better not to call it an accident and call it man slaughter. There is no such thing as and accident In my view. Someone always does something stupid without thinking then after the fact they call it an accident. A rock falling off a ledge and landing on your car as your driving by is an accident. I think he not only should get it for manslaugher but it should be as public as possible without harming the case. Right now these things happen to many times and it's always because someone claimed it was an accident and they didn't mean to shoot someone they shot. That is not an accident, it is neglaence! (I don't know how to spell that word)
Sat, 2011-11-05 08:10#7
Don on the money!
Negligent Homicde, like when Someone kills someone with their car out of stupidity. Or is that Vehicular Homicde? Never understood what difference it made what ya killed'em with, it's either premeditated or it isn't.
I have been teaching Hunter Ed in WA for some time. Personally, I don't think it would be a bad thing for all first time hunting license purchaser to take some kind of Hunter Ed course. With hunter ed being offered on line in many states, I see no reason not to. However, Hunter ed only has an effect if you follow what you have been taught. Most follow the lead of their peers, if their peers shoot at sounds in the brush, so will they. Case in point, 17 yr old young lady took our class several yrs ago. Following year was arrested for shooting a game dept decoy with use of car headlights. She was doing what her dad and uncles did, regardless of what we taught.
Mon, 2011-11-07 08:30#8
Just found this numbnuts -
Just found this numbnuts - i too send my prayers out to both families. One quick but wrong decision has now changed the lives of these two families forever. But this is also a very harsh reminder to all who are or will be teaching a new hunter. You must know 100% what you are shooting at and at the same time be aware of what is behind it. Thanks for sharing this article.
Wed, 2011-12-07 14:37#9
A fallow up to this story.
A fallow up to this story. The man was charged with Man slaughter. He hasn't had his day in court yet but I'll let you all know more info when it becomes public.
Wed, 2011-12-07 22:31#10
Jury of One's Peers
While this case will most likely have a jury I don't think it will be a jury of one's peers.
As hunters we are aware of what the conditions are outside away from the cities and towns. Looking at the replies here I can only hazard a guess that if we were on the jury that our justice would be severe because we have stood in the shoes and know what it's like.
Studies show that segements of society are harder on thier own segement of society than another segment. Case in point, and if interested one can Google it, black juries are harder on black defendants than on white defendants. So if this "hunter" has a jury pool that hunts the odds favor a harsher punishment. Of course his attorney will exclude all hunters from the jury pool if he or she wasn't asleep that day in law school.
I feel for those involved but have little sympathy and hope to God I never have empathy for such an act.