From what I have seen is that most seasons for white tails is way after the bucks would of pollished off their antlers. Most mule deer will have all the velvet stripped off the antlers by mid to late September and I presume that white tails are the same, and I haven't noticed any seasons for white tails in August or early September.
So, it is because of the earlier seasons for mule deer? Why do states ahve seasons so early for mule deer but not white tail. It makes sense that is the cause of the velvet still being on, but I wonder why you hunt mule deer earlier?
That's a good question. It could be to get all the seasons in from archery to rifle. You also have to figure that when mule deer are in the rut they are usually down in the sage brush flats and open country due to the snow in the hills. It would be way too easy to go out now and shoot a big mulie while he was standing around with nothing to protect him or no where to run to hide.
Mainly if not completely the muzzleloaders and bowhunters in Colorado who get the velvet racked mulies. Although there are some high elevation early season (Sep.) rifle hunts for mule deer.
By the first regular rifle deer season which is the latter part of Oct. their velvet is long gone.
I've no experience but from reading and watching shows I gather the main seasons for hunting whitetails is Nov. when their rutting. It's usually more often then not cold when I see them hunting them on the shows. My guess would be the game management in whitetail states makes the season later to give hunters a better chance at harvest. Since most whitetail country is thick and harder to hunt and the rut gives blind and tree stand hunters a better chance at seeing em due to movement.
Pretty much along with what you guys are saying, it's all about timing of the season. I do not know exactly why the seasons are chosen as they are. In California, there are lots of bucks taken in velvet. Heck, the first archery seasons open in July in the northeast part of the state. Even down here we may see one or 2 a year that are shot the opening week. Archery in my zone opens on the first Saturday in Spetember.
In Vermont, the first season is archery, and it's not until the first weekend in October. The velvet is long gone by that time. I think some southern states have early seasons, and chances to get velvet bucks. Maybe the Carolinas?
This is an observation that I have never thought about. Yes, it is due to the fact that mule deer seasons start earlier than white tailed deer seasons but the reason why is a little less clear. I am assuming that you guys are right about white tails being so much harder to hunt earlier in the year. We can go up high and chase mulies in august and september but I am assuming that the big white tail bucks are almost impossible to hunt at this point... maybe not, I have never done it. I am interested to hear if anyone pipes up and says that thier state has an early white tail hunt because I have never heard of one.
It is my dream to take a giant, typical mule deer above timberline in velvet. I really want a mount of one in velvet and hopefully it will happen some day. But I do not think I have ever seen one white tail buck mounted in velvet. I have seen antlered white tail does in velvet though. Antlered does almost never rub thier velvet and therefore I have seen more of them taken with velvet than I have bucks.
I have a system I use in Whitetail hunting during the rut that seems to work for me. When I make a mock scrape in the area I wish to hunt I will place a couple of 35mm
film canisters (film removed of course) in the scrape after I have cleared out all leaves and other debris. The film canisters are filled with cotton balls and saturated with doe in heat urine. This keeps the urine from soaking in the ground and can be refreshed on each trip if needed. I will also use the tarsal gland of the buck...