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The link below is to a story on Pilot on Line. VA dog hunting laws are being challenged in the court again.

http://hamptonroads.com/2009/03/va-landowner-hunt-club-odds-over-hunting...

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Link doesn't work.
Get the following when I click on the link. Got another one?
Perhaps you can authorize me?

"Access denied
You are not authorized to access this page"

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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/V/VA_HUNTING_WITH_HOUNDS_VAOL-?SITE...

Here is another link, this one is to the rest of the story from last night. (I double checked it this morning and it works) Hopefully this one will stay working. Not sure what happened to the other one, the story for it is just gone.

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That one worked. Good article, thanks for posting.
I can see both sides of this situation, if and only if the hound hunters are actually just returning their Dogs, if they are not on the property for that reason then they become criminals in my book, however I also believe in Landowner rights. Those two groups need to come to some sort of agreement before the lawmakers do. You can bet that when the lawmakers get involved, neither party will win.

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I can see both sides also, but I think in the end the hunters are going to lose out. It might not happen this year but it is coming. Unfortunately the most common thought on dog hunters around here is a group of rednecks running up and down the roads in 4X4's, shoutguns sticking out the windows and using the law to go wherever they want. I know that is not the truth for everybody and that most clubs are more respectful, but the ones who act this way are the most visible so they set the image. The original link I posted had comments from the general public on this case and there was a comment from a lady about hunters and their dogs now endangering the landowners family and pets. If this image takes over we all will lose.

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I agree wholeheartedly.

We had the same problems here with folks buying land and building in the woods but the dog hunters simply would not recognize property lines or fences. Not all of them but as you said, it's the bad ones that most will see.
After several armed confrontations and the hounds chasing a deer with 4x4's in hot pursuit, all caught on a news crew camera that was there interviewing the property owner about the dog hunters. The State saw that and action was soon to follow. Now we have some pretty tough dog hunting laws that almost makes the sport too expensive.
I dog hunted for many years and killed my first deer while dog hunting. My Pops would have slapped me blind had I busted thru someones gate or fence or smarted off to a property owner. That's what is missing today, a lack of respect for others.

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Hunting with hounds is extremely popular back home, as it is in much of Europe. Could somebody give me an idea about how many states in the US that actually forbid hunting with hounds? Or is it generally legal but subject to a lot of local restrictions?

I don't like it myself that much, but I'm asking out of curiosity, not for the sake of the debate.

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Mikewin wrote:
Hunting with hounds is extremely popular back home, as it is in much of Europe. Could somebody give me an idea about how many states in the US that actually forbid hunting with hounds? Or is it generally legal but subject to a lot of local restrictions?

I don't like it myself that much, but I'm asking out of curiosity, not for the sake of the debate.

Mike, I have been researching this for a couple of days and as far as I can tell we only have 9 states left that allow hunting with dogs. Not sure on the laws for each state though. Maybe others will post from their states and fill us in.

I have never hunted with dogs so I will not try to pass judgement on those that do. I have been invited to hunt with a club this year that uses dogs and will probably go to see what it is all about. Since it will be my first time I will not try to form an opinion on the issue as a whole. I think this is something the clubs and the landowners need to work out together as it effects them the most, but I will be watching the issue because it could effect us all some day. If one law gets passed banning one style of hunting it could lead to others.

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whitetailfever wrote:
Mikewin wrote:
Hunting with hounds is extremely popular back home, as it is in much of Europe. Could somebody give me an idea about how many states in the US that actually forbid hunting with hounds? Or is it generally legal but subject to a lot of local restrictions?

I don't like it myself that much, but I'm asking out of curiosity, not for the sake of the debate.

Mike, I have been researching this for a couple of days and as far as I can tell we only have 9 states left that allow hunting with dogs. Not sure on the laws for each state though. Maybe others will post from their states and fill us in.

I have never hunted with dogs so I will not try to pass judgement on those that do. I have been invited to hunt with a club this year that uses dogs and will probably go to see what it is all about. Since it will be my first time I will not try to form an opinion on the issue as a whole. I think this is something the clubs and the landowners need to work out together as it effects them the most, but I will be watching the issue because it could effect us all some day. If one law gets passed banning one style of hunting it could lead to others.

Thanks! So essentially, 41 states do have outright, general laws against hunting with dogs? This is remarkable. Would you be able to list the ones which do not (i.e. the 9)?

The reason why I'm asking is that I'm preparing an article on hunting in the US for a Swedish gun journal. Facts like these must be correct in such texts.

And I agree on your general take: we should never, as hunters, accept that some hunting methods are made illegal on arbitrary grounds and without good reasons. In most of Europe, for example, hunting with handguns is utterly illegal regardless of the effectiveness of the guns and calibers in question. Bow hunting is also illegal in most European states. It's obvious that this has nothing to do with rational reasons but everything to do with lack of tradition, prejudices and ignorance.

Hunting with dogs is, on the other hand, permitted almost everywhere in Europe and nobody here ever mentions any ethical problems associated with this. I've understood that not least the ethical issues are important in the U.S. debate.

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Florida and Georgia allow Dogs for Deer Hunting, I am not really sure about Alabama anymore.
Florida, Georgia and Alabama allow Dogs when hunting Hogs.
I am assuming, based on the threads here, that Virginia allows Hunting Deer with Dogs. Yes

The main problem with Hunting Deer with Dogs is it takes a large amount of land and as the people spread out into the countryside they build houses and fence in land that was once open range. This is where the conflict arises. Some Dog hunters(the vast minority) think that they have the traditional right to run their dogs and too bad it it is across your property and that fence and gate won't stop them. These are the ones who most people see as they are the most visible. Troublemakers always draw the attention.
The other problem is that Dogs don't read signs and have no idea what a fence means and so they won't stop the chase when they encounter these. If the hunters would just stop at the fence and get permission from the landowner to catch their dogs then things would be alot better, not perfect but better.
The Landowner has to realize this also and atleast try and understand, which in my experience they do unless they are harassed to the point of frustration.
We have had gates torn down and fences cut on our lease. It is frustrating and gates aren't cheap.
it is my opinion that you are a criminal when you destroy a persons property, ie; fence or gate, and trespass and there is no excuse for it.
I also believe that you are a criminal if you shoot and kill a dog that is running thru your property just because you don't like dog hunting or are pissed that the dog is on your property.
My 2 cents.

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Mikewin, I have been trying to find out which states still allow deer hunting with dogs but can only find a few. I have read about 20 articles that say there are 9 states left but I can only verify 5 of them. The ones I have been able to find so far are Florida, Louisiana, North Carolina, South Carolina and Virginia. I will keep trying to figure out the rest and will post them as soon as I find them.

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