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Re: US Beretta M9

Wh wrote,

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The frame on the M9 and 92FS is Aluminum alloy. The Beretta slide is of forged/milled carbon steel.

Alloy schmalloy! Metal is metal, plastic is plastic! neener!

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Re: US Beretta M9
BunnySlayer wrote:
Wh wrote,
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The frame on the M9 and 92FS is Aluminum alloy. The Beretta slide is of forged/milled carbon steel.

Alloy schmalloy! Metal is metal, plastic is plastic! neener!

I know, but you had said it was all steel. Actually it would be nice if it was all steel. Beretta may as well add the weight to go along with the size. lol

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Re: US Beretta M9

I've carried the M9 and personally am not that excited about it. People can debate the 9mm vs .45 issue, but there's a lot to be said for volume of fire -- rounds that don't hit the target don't do any damage, and in a chaotic situation it's better to have 15 than 8...more chances to connect. A 9mm gets you back on target quicker, too. These are the same kinds of arguments that justified adoption of the 5.56.

My beef with the M9 is that it's an old design. Sure, it's far younger than the 1911, but I'm not crazy about the ergonomics of a 1911, either. I don't like the position of the M9's safety, nor do I care for the DA/SA trigger that's vastly different from round #1 to round #2. That makes it a lot tougher to stay accurate in a rapid fire from the holster scenario. I also think the open-top slide configuration presents more opportunities for crud to get inside the weapon. In my opinion, there have been some great improvements in pistol design in recent years, largely stemming from Glock's design. I think if they re-competed the M9 on a level playing field with today's handguns, it wouldn't fare so well.

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Re: US Beretta M9

Wh...An experienced shooter likes the M9. ( I try not to be critical Big smile )
Expat....An experienced shooter likes......Glocks? Sig? He didn't really say, he just doesnt like 1911's or the M9.
BunnySlayer..... Is a dyed in the wool 1911 dude.

Conclusion? Handguns are like women. Some like blondes, brunettes, red heads, tall girls short girls, dark ones thin ones etc etc. All are still dangerous of coarse and should be handled with caution . It all boils down to personal taste ( you guys have none and I do!) and experience. Now don't tell anyone, lest I be considered un-manly, but I even own a couple of glocks and a couple of 9mm's. Shhhhh.......Don't tell.

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Re: US Beretta M9

I wouldn't nessesarily say that I "like" the M9 so much as I just don't mind it. If it was my only choice I'd take one without complaint, but if given a choice I'd likely chose something else like a Browning Hi Power or Glock 19, etc. I hate the triggers on DA/SA guns, all of them, SIGs included. I'm not a big fan of the trigger safety on the Glocks either, makes for an extreamly uncomfortable gun at the range, especially to the pad of my trigger finger. But I do like the way Glocks shoot and the ease of cleaning.

I also think the M9 is just such a large bulky pistol for being a 9mm, and the barrel could have a better finish on it, being bead-blasted and blued it doesn't offer the best corrosion resistance, they should have parkerized it. Like Expat said, if the tests were run again on a level playing field it's likely that other modern pistols would far exceed the requirments. But it's true what you say Bunny about guns being like women, everyone has their preference. My only point is that unlike other people I have never felt under powered with a 9mm as opposed to a .45. I own a few pistols in both calibers. I prefere to place more emphisis on shooting straight, rather than comparing 124gr at 1200 ft/sec vs 230gr at 830 ft/sec. Besides despite the published numbers, of all the factory .45ACP 230gr FMJ I've chrono'd I've never seen anything run faster than 810 ft/sec from a 5" barrel, with most running under 800 ft/sec. A .45 starts to become pretty inefficient when you start getting slower in velocity.

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Re: US Beretta M9

if i was stuck using FMJ rounds, i would rather a larger bullet. that said when the army does get around to a new handgun, it will be some polymer glockish handgun i bet, probably in some intermediate round like the 40 s&w. i shoot and carry a 9mm, with hollow points, i also shoot and reload 45 acp. if i was stuck using fmj's it would be the 45acp all day, nothing to do with beretta or any other gun, although guys i've talk to, recently returned vets, guys in the service of our country for 20 plus years didn't like the m9.

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Re: US Beretta M9
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if i was stuck using FMJ rounds, i would rather a larger bullet. that said when the army does get around to a new handgun, it will be some polymer glockish handgun i bet, probably in some intermediate round like the 40 s&w. i shoot and carry a 9mm, with hollow points, i also shoot and reload 45 acp. if i was stuck using fmj's it would be the 45acp all day, nothing to do with beretta or any other gun, although guys i've talk to, recently returned vets, guys in the service of our country for 20 plus years didn't like the m9.

And what basis are you using for your preference for FMJ in a larger caliber as opposed to FMJ in a smaller caliber? I mean besides all the bull that's floating around on the internet? It's not a criticism I'm just curious.

Personally if it were me and I was going into unknown conditions against an enemy I would chose a hot 9mm load in FMJ over a .45 ACP in FMJ as my sidearm choice. In unknown conditions against unkown barriers I want reliable penetration from my sidearm. Hollow points rarely offer the same penetration as FMJs do. I know first hand that a standard load 124gr 9x19mm in FMJ will penetrate certain things that a 230gr .45 ACP will only put a large dent in. Of course FMJs are not always the best choice in every situations or environment either. I've shot lots of junk over the years to prove this to myself. Of course I'm not in anyway blasting the beloved .45 ACP. You sure can't go wrong by making the .45ACP your choice in FMJ or JHP. Stopping power is a myth. I've hunted for too long and taken too many game animals to believe that there is any such thing as so-called stopping power with any cartridge. Unless of course the centeral nervous system is destroyed by the shot i.e. brain or spine.

I think you're right about the next pistol that will be adopted by the US military. It will likely be some type of polymer framed blocky shaped pistol. I have doubts that it will be in anything but 9mm, but who knows, they might just adopt the .40 S&W for use. One things for sure, like it or not, the M9 isn't going away anytime soon. With a large contract awarded to Beretta recently I see nothing to indicate that the DoD will be adopting a new handgun as standard issue in the near or far future. Of course the DoD and all branches of the military are aways testing stuff for future consideration.

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Re: US Beretta M9

wound trama from a fmj 45acp would be more substantial than a 9mm. in a perfect world, a rifle or a shotgun would be my preference, a pistol is the last thing i want to be stuck in a firefight with, but from shooting hogs, and feral dogs i either carry a 45 acp or a 357 magnum, while i've got a buddy who packs a 9mm with fmj's. now neither of us use our pistols much, we mostly just have them because we hunt in a management area and you never know what you going to run into, he put 3 into the chest of a feral dog and it still ran off about 60 yards.when taking the same action with my 45 or 357 i havn't had these problems, using fmj rounds in both. everything being equal, because a pistol is what it is, i want the largest highest capacity handgun i can put my hands on, or at least the highest capacity that leaves the best wound trama. the beretta's size, the fact that it should hold a lot more rounds, and several other lead me to believe the m9 isn't that great a pistol.

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Re: US Beretta M9

I can't disagree with any of that. Except the part about the Beretta not being a great pistol, but that's a matter of opinion. I've fire them extensively and think the M9/92FS is a good quality gun. It's by no means my favorite at all, not even close. The M9 does have a lot of shortcomings to it. For starters it's a pretty large pistol for a modern 9mm, and you're right, for the size it should carry more than 15 rounds as standard capacity. There are a few other criticisms I have of it, but I've already listed those throughout this discussion.

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