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Now there we're in agreement! Thumbs up

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9mm or .45 for defense

Which is the best caliber or the best pistol for defense is a popular question in all handgun circles. Unless one is in the military or a police officer in a large city, it is unlikely one will ever need a lot of fire power. I always think that the best weapon for defense is the one you are most familiar with. I personally keep a short barrell 12 ga shotgun loaded with "0" buckshot in my bedroom. All of my bird hunting is with double barrels. Not much fire power, but then a double barrel 12 looks pretty intimidating from the muzzel end, especially if a half dressed, wild-eyed half awake farmer on his front porch at 2 am is pointing it at you. As for pistols in the military; the 9mm definitely can produce more fire power than a .45. Firepower is usually what combat action is all about. However, several years back, a cousin of mine was home for Christmas from the military. He had been in the Army Special Forces for well over 20 years. I asked him for his opinion upon the military 9mm Beretta. He said it was a good weapon, but that the SF were allowed to carry their choice of sidearm and that they carried the .45 instead. When asked why, he simiply said, "when you shoot someone with a .45 they stop shooting back." I thought that was a pretty powerful statement, especially for someone who as an NCO has been in every conflict since Panama, including Grenada, Somolia (He was one of those that ran the Mogadishu Mile), both Gulf Wars and Afganistan, pluse a few other encounters that have not been made public.

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Which is the best caliber or the best pistol for defense is not really what this thread was about at all. I do however agree with ya about the shotgun with buck shot for home protection though. Thumbs up .

I own both .45 and 9mm pistols and have many years shooting experience with each. I've shot lots of junk and will say for certain that a 9mm will penetrate stuff that a .45 ACP will only put a large dent in. But I never feel under gunned with either as protection. I've hunted biggame with rifles long enough to have figured out that this whole "one-shot-stop" theory is just stuff of stories. I mean if a high powered rifle shot through the heart and lungs of a deer often results in that deer running upto 75 yards before dropping, what makes you think a slow .45 ACP will always result in one shot stops when hitting a human attacker center mast??? It can and does happen with many various cartridges, but a lot of stuff factors into it, besides just the caliber by itself. For all the stuff we get told about how life is so fragile. It's my experience that life and the human body is much more resilient than most people realise.

I just think when it comes to certain handgun calibers there are just too many legends, myths, and tall tales floating around and not enough fact. After all, how many handgun shooters actually shoot at anything much more than a paper target?? Not many.

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This is true WH. Recently during some training I had an opportunity to speak with some SF individuals who's job it was to go on raids in Afghanistan to known Al Quida and Taliban residences. We're talking several per week for the duration of their tour. Several dynamic type entries per week of known hostile residences and such. The amount of firefights these guys have seen is astounding. The biggest point that they had to make was that no matter what weapon and or caliber was used from shotgun , rifle or handgun it was taking an average of 5 shots to stop the fight and put down the opponent. It didn't seem to matter even from rifle to pistol, their experience was 5 or even 6 shots to stop the fight. Shot placement was paramount but even more important was to keep shooting until your opponent was not only down but out of the fight and unable to continue shooting. If you think an opponent can't shoot you from the ground while wounded, think again. Caliber schmalliber it's the guy behind it that really counts! Of coarse their not going against 7-11 robbers or crackheads their going against guys who's only goal in life from birth to the moment you meet them is to take as many of you in to the afterlife with them as they can so you can serve them in paradise for eternity. Not your average opponent but a good lesson to learn just the same.

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Heard the same thing from veterans of previous wars BunnySlayer. I recall a WWII Marine Corps vet saying that many times they'd think they had missed Japs with the M1 Garand only to find later that they had actually put a few bullets in them, yet those Japs were stiil able to run for cover. My father was an Army Infantryman in the Pacific during WWII and he rarely said anything about the combat zone, but I recall him making a similar comment once. It was mensioned when I was kid during a conversation with our barber (also a WWII vet) as I was getting a haircut. Adreanaline is an amazing thing. More powerful than any narcodic out there.

It just depends on the person and where they get hit. You want a one-shot-stop with a bullet, you need to take out the centeral nervious system i.e brain or spine. That seems to be the only thing that results in the magical one-shot-stop with any caliber.

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I agree WH. As hunters of some sort we've all seen animals run for up to a mile or more even with a shot through the heart. There is no magic bullet or caliber. Other than extreme trauma to the brain or central nervous system there are only two ways to kill. Asphyxiate or exanguinate. Fancy words for lack or air or blood. If you think an opponent cant be as good as dead and still kill you. Hold your breath and imagine what you could to to someone with a knife before you pass out.

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Re: US Beretta M9

You guys seem to know a lot about the Beretta 9mm. What is the difference in the 92fs 9mm.
I purchased my son a Springfield XD 40 cal for his 12th Birthday and a 270 cal. deer rifle. He got to shoot his grandfathers Beretta 9mm over the summer and he has not stoppe dtalking about it ever sence.
Any suggestions or advisement?
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Mike
And Kick Ass on our troops GOD BLESS THEM ALL AND KEEEP THEM SAFE!

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There is no difference between the Beretta 92FS and the M9 pistols made after the rearwards slide retention modification. The only thing that differs between the two are the role markings on the pistol. Also the M9s have to pass accuracy tests to 50 yrds vs 25 yrds of the 92FS, but both guns seem to pass the 50 yard tests just fine. The new current contract M9 pistols have been slightly modified from what I've heard, but this is a very recent thing. They added stuff like an acessory rail to the dust cover and thickened the front of the trigger guard. I hear that the grip screws are now using either hex or torx fasteners rather than older slotted screws. My opinion is that the Beretta 92FS or M9 are a great pistol, though it is not my favorite 9mm semi-auto pistol for a few reasons, none of which have to do with reliability or overall quality. My reasons have to do with the it being a relatively large size for a modern 9mm pistol and the horrible trigger pull inhearent of most DA/SA trigger.

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Re: US Beretta M9

I'm not sure if your asking the difference between the M9 and 92fs or between the Springfield and the Beretta. As WH stated the 92fs is simply the commercial designation for the military's M9. Same animal. As to the other the Beretta is an all steel traditional double action handgun and the Springfield being a polymer framed striker fired gun similar to the Glock system.

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Re: US Beretta M9
BunnySlayer wrote:
I'm not sure if your asking the difference between the M9 and 92fs or between the Springfield and the Beretta. As WH stated the 92fs is simply the commercial designation for the military's M9. Same animal. As to the other the Beretta is an all steel traditional double action handgun and the Springfield being a polymer framed striker fired gun similar to the Glock system.

The frame on the M9 and 92FS is Aluminum alloy. The Beretta slide is of forged/milled carbon steel.

Springfield makes some pretty darn good pistols. I just wish they'd manufacture their stuff here in the USA. They go all out to put USA markings all over their 1911s, but those frames are forged in Brazil or Venenzuela from foreign made steel. Their polymer framed pistols are made in the Balkans. I guess it makes no difference today where a product is made, as developing countries around the world are plenty capable of making excellent products as long as they are given the right materials and tools to work with, and the right people. I regard the FN/Browning P-35 Hi-Power as one of the absolute best pistols ever made, even still today when compared with ultra modern offerings. But the P-35s made at FN under Nazi occupation later in the war were pretty good examples of a junk pistol both in finish, accuracy, and function Yuk!

I have heard a lot of great things from users of the Springfield guns. Thumbs up

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