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Thanks Austin. Yea, hunting behind my buddys brit is driving me crazy. She seems like she is on speed on something and she is untrained. I used to have a black lab female before I got into upland hunting and when I took here on hikes she would go back and forth just a few yards in front of me. I loved her, but when I moved to Idaho I had to give her away. When Im out hunting pheasants I am always thinking she would have been great for this. I have been thinking about another lab but my buddy (by the way, he is only a 25 year old kid with an untrained brit) keeps trying to talk me out of a lab. Ive seen other hunters out there with labs so I am gonna rethink my situation about a lab. Hell, my lab wasnt even a full blooded lab. Oh yeah, I got my tenth pheasant today (without a dog). Season ends tomorrow around here.

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Well now that your season is done what was your final bird count? Is waterfowl still on in your area? Another good reason for labs...you could be hunting waterfowl too. I've gone out for pheasants three times so far and have 6 birds. Not a bad average for public ground. The season here lasts until Jan 7 so I have a bit more time. I didn't have much time to write before but my labs hunt ptarm, grouse, quail, chukars, huns, pheasants and waterfowl. They took minimal training compared to a lot of other breeds and as long as you find a smaller lab they hold together well in the field. The bigger labs tend to break down in the front shoulders after a hard day of hunting. Because of their popularity it is real important to find a well established reputable breeder. The lab breed is still one of the more popular breeds and there are quite a few backyard breeders that don't get the sire and dams tested for hips, eyes and elbows. All for now.

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Pheasant season is done here. Got ten and hunted hard and frequently (without dogs). What do you mean "smaller" lab. I have been thinking about getting a female black lab. Not sure if Im gonna be to concerned about "breeders" , just as long as she is gonna be a lifelong companian, that"ll be fine with me. I hope the rest will come naturally to her out in the field.

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Byrdofprey wrote:
Pheasant season is done here. Got ten and hunted hard and frequently (without dogs). What do you mean "smaller" lab. I have been thinking about getting a female black lab. Not sure if Im gonna be to concerned about "breeders" , just as long as she is gonna be a lifelong companian, that"ll be fine with me. I hope the rest will come naturally to her out in the field.

In most of the hunting breed's, show people have taken the breed's and bred them bigger. What happen's is that the dog's end up carrying around to much weight on their feet, hip's and shoulder's and tend to sore up on a long day. The field type dog's are usually smaller boned and lighter with better pads on their feet.

But whatever you get, there's one thing a must"

That is one beautiful nose huh? It can only be found on a pointing dog! Yes

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To give you a few guidelines for weights on labs. A smallish female should weigh about 65 when mature. Take a look at the sire and dam to get an idea of what range your dog will come in after about three years.

If you want your dog to be a long life companion then I can't emphasize enough the importance of breeding. I have a female lab that is 10 going on 11 and she still gets out there and hunts hard. I have more than a few friends that have purchased labs from less than reputable breeders and now have a 5 year old crippled up dog. Mostly shoulders but one hip that I know of. By the time these problems show up you're so attached to the dog that getting rid of it is not an option. A few of my friends have spent upwards of 2k dollars to try and fix the problem but have had little good results. Even with a good breeder you can't be guarenteed that your dog won't rum into these problems but atleast it limits them to some extent. Good luck.

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Thanks Austin Thumbs up

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go for labs, they are the best. They have the best personalitiy of all breeds. I had i brittany, then started to own labs, I own now 2 pointin choc labs, never go back to brittanys again. so I say go for either a yellow or a choc lab!! its the best choice Promise!! The pointing labs are great for pheasant hunting

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Is "pointing" lab different than a lab or do you just train them to point. Hope I dont sound to ignorant. And what about a black lab? Is yellow or choc better than black?

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If you read the breed standard for labrador retriever's I doubt you'll find reference to pointing labs. In fact the only reference you will find to them is the people marketing them as such. There are no standards of excellence, there are no standards period. There are people who absolutely love their dog reguardless of breed that make incredable claims for it. Unfortunately, the dog's seldom meet the expectations expected of them unless the standard of excellence for that type of dog is lowered. No dog retrieves with the fire of a lab, goldens lack the tuffness of a lab to take training and a chesepeke will make a lab look like a sissy.

As a pointing dog. I can think of no breed that would not blow the socks off a lab AT THE POINTING GAME. A pointing dog is bred to cover more range. to hunt for air scent and to hunt beyond gun range, well beyond. As a retriever, I can think of no pointing dog that can, generally speaking, stay in the boat with any of the retrieving breed's, where the lab is king. People that claim pointing labs are good as pointing dogs, I don't believe ever hunted over a good pointing dog and really don't understand what they do. And probally don't apperciate it either. What is the reason for a pointing dog that stay's in gun range? What use a flushing dog that doesn't? I feel very sorry for the lab as a breed that the greatness of the dog is reduced to mediocrity just because someone absolutely loves their dog. I would be glad to change my mind anytime one of these owner's can produce a dog that can just compete with any pointing breed at their own game, ya don't have to win, under unbias judging. Lab's are a great dog, they are not pointing dog's!

The difference in color is just that, a difference in color. It has something to do with genes. The dogs are the same. The black's are the predominate color because black is the dominate color. Breed a black dog to a black dog and you get black pup's. Breed a black dog to a yellow dog and you get mostly black pup's. Breed a black dog to a choc. dog and your likely to get mostly black pup's. Breed yellow to yellow and you could get a black pup from a ressive gene. Breed choc to choc and the odds of a black go way up, black is dominate. The point is that the dog's are all the same. Where did the yellows come from? Haven't a clue. But the dog's are the same.

In the end, what ever breed you choose, chose one bred for the trait's you want. ALL the breed's can be made into something other than they are but still won't excell at what they haven't been bred to do. Labs are wonderfull dog's. They are great retriever's, willing learner's and make great pet's. They will not make the flushing dog a good well bred Springer will and won't even approach the range and style and bird finding and holding ability of a pointing dog. There are a gazillion of them around and you can go hunting with them and find birds. Want to see a pointing dog? Over by Cauldwell somewhere is Dave Walker. He raises and trains Britt's. Find him and give him a call. Do not judge ANY breed by some buddies untrained dog.

I have owned, trained and loved most the pointing breeds, springer spaniels and labrador retrievers. If I am devoted to any breed I can't imagine what it is. My breed of preference are English Pointer's and German Shorthair's, neither of which I'm recommending to you. When you get a dog, you'll likely have it a long time.

Did the footwork for you: Dave Walker Brittany's (punch it in and go on internet)
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i just kindly want to disagree about above opinion, pointing labs yes could not compete with actaul pointers, but labs can be breed to p[oint and they doa dang good job at it.
also they is a adifference among labs colors and personalities,
choc,-kinder, relaxed attitude, more mellow, geat!!!
yellow-about same as choc
black-more hyper than others, and most have a bad case of to much drool, I mean alot of drool!!
white labs-good luck, don't know about them

I would go with yellow or choc. yeah don't need to get a pointer, bu to answer question, they are a number of breeders that breed pointer labs, for my two that I bought pointin comes naturally, it quite cool to watch them grow up!!

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