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Sorry to hear you lost your buck by no fault of your own. However i got to say, at the point at which I learned it was the mans first ever deer hunt, I think I would have changed my tone. Matter of fact at the point where he said he was just trying to help me find the deer I think I would have changed my tone. You know you could have always climbed down and asked the man for some room to hunt. Better yet you could have made sure he didnt sit down right ontop of you before the hunt began. Personally i was waiting for you to say he shot the deer out from uder you and honestly what foul would there have been there after you let him set up right there with you???

Most definately there are morons out there and sorry folks they arent all on public land. many of you private land hunters come to the lodges i guide at and could be easilly construed as morons by the time you leave. Trust me being a moron in the woods aint a public land exclusive. Point is on public land you give up your exclusive rights to any spot and tend to get stuck with hunters who are first timers or weekend warriors that may or may not know what hunting is all about. You got three choices, hunt around it like most of us do, go lease or buy private ground, or stay home.

I can hear that man now. First time I ever went deer hunting i got screamed and yelled at by some moron who was mad cause i tried to help him find his deer.

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hatracked wrote:
You know you could have always climbed down and asked the man for some room to hunt. Better yet you could have made sure he didnt sit down right ontop of you before the hunt began.

LOL let's see I was up 25 feet or so I flash a light and talk to a person when they walk in and your suggestion is climb down scare whatever may be in the area because someone doesn't have the knowledge to move on on their own?

By the way what is "before the Hunt began"

I was hunting as soon as it began to get light and I could see through the scope. Is there even such a thing as before the Hunt began? I guess you might be saying something about at the parking area but when you arrive early an get in the woods and there is noone else around what are you suggestiing sitting there to wait for others to show?

hatracked wrote:
honestly what foul would there have been there after you let him set up right there with you???

Lets review if you notify someone your in a stand position in the woods and you make them known of your position now you are suggesting that you climb down from your prime position to move them along?

If he had shot the deer I would have just let it be, but since he didn't shoot the deer nor did he even see the deer because he was sitting over in a ditch so be it. But one thing I don't do is climb down because someone is too lazy to move out of a area, I did my part by letting him know I was there when he walked in on me. I shouldn't have to direct him to a new area as well that's common sense.

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If he had shot the deer I would have just let it be

Given the reaction you said you had over him bumping your deer I doubt that very seriously.

When you decided to let him sit in on your hunt, you accepted the fact that you were likely to be interferred with. Thats my point and you got what you get when you let a man set up 50 yards from you. For the record yes i would have gotten down and told him to move along. Had I not I certainly wouldnt have got all pissy and physically threatening when suprise suprise your hunt was interferred with.

Your a Marine man, have some damned restraint and represent what you so proudly put in your forum handle and signature. What you did was a morons way to handle it.

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hatracked, you are WAY OUT OF LINE HERE, bud!!! First of all, this has nothing to do with Sempr's service to our Country or the Marine Corps and you have no right to tell him to "shape up" in my opinion. It's one thing to have civil discourse, it's another to put one's military service on the line. I don't know what your military service is but show a little respect for crying out loud!

Just because you might have been just like the idiot that Sempr warned and did everything in his power to get's attention short of blowing a fog horn or getting down, doesn't mean that idiot wasn't in the wrong (or that you weren't if you acted like a jack ass).

This idiot paid him NO MIND when he was trying to get his attention. If Sempr hadn't yelled at that guy after he jumped his deer into the RIVER, he might never know proper hunting etiquette. Sometimes when firearms and the public interact, you have to raise your voice a few decibel tones to get the point across and so that he could remember. Sempr did all he could do short of tackling the idiot. In my opinion, Sempr showed considerable restraint due to the fact that we didn't see headlines in the paper stating, "Man kills idiot in the woods in Viriginia."

Oh yeah, and again, what is "before the hunt?" I agree, you must be talking about waiting in the parking lot or something..... For me, the hunt starts as soon as I step into the woods regardless of light conditions.

By the way Sempr, Semper Fi!!!

FL-CRACKER OUT

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hatracked wrote:
Your a Marine man, have some damned restraint and represent what you so proudly put in your forum handle and signature. What you did was a morons way to handle it.

I have to Agree with FL Cracker here what the Hell does it have to do with my military Service? Which I am fully retired from, and if your read the rest of my signature you would see why I like my dog more than most people!

As for ruining my hunt by climbing down it ain't gonna happen. If you walk in on me while I'm up in a tree and I say howdy your in my shooting lane I expect you to exercise some commone sense and get the hell out of there. Now your saying you have to hold other peoples hands to show them where to go when they should have Learned that in the Basic Course like the rest of us did!

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Excuse me for having some respect for your training and the typically well behaved fellas that suit up for our country. You have just tarnished my thoughts on what a marines character is shaped into. Let me correct that statement a carreer marine who retired and represent every man and women in uniform today by plastering Semper and Semper Fi in your post. You brought your service into this when you added it to your signature, least you can do is live up to the image for the fellas taking bullets for your retired self or refrain from boasting an affiliation while you act like a moron.

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BTW I have a very deep respect for your roots as a military man, probably why I am so took back by the way you handled it. i would have expected something like that to come out of a back country redneck not a man with your background.

Far as when the hunt begins that would be at legal shooting time. Everything before that is preparation and if part of that chore is to get an obviously uneducated fella out of your area than I guess its time to finish preparing for your hunt.

Been there done that more than once and matter of fact i walked in on a fella two weeks ago on public land that was all set up in the tree an hour before dark. He was breaking the law obviously as he was already up the tree and settled in three minutes after it was legal to set foot in the woods. I of course moved away from him.

However, Im a guy who has has ample education about hunting etiquette even amongst fellas cheating a wee bit to gain an advantage in hunting spots. The fella you ran into was a first day out newbie. Sorry regardless of what you think, my opinion still stands that you could have handled it better and had you done so you might have met a human you could have not only liked but reaped the rewards of teaching about the finer things that come along with hunting. You robbed yourself.

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hatracked wrote:
You have just tarnished my thoughts on what a marines character is shaped into.

You Obviously Don't know much about Marines!

Marines look for a fight every chance we Get and even though your idea may be that very well produced Commercial on TV with the sword and the neat music and such it doesn't exactly portray Marine very well.

hatracked wrote:
Let me correct that statement a carreer marine who retired and represent every man and women in uniform today

I'm NOT representing the Marine Corps, or the other services in this Forum, just because I use Semper Fi in my signature. If you dislikje it then don't read my posts if you think just because I say have that there I have to be all goody too shoes your sadly mistaken.

I spent 23 yrs defending my country and supporting the Constitution of this GREAT nation and now your saying because I have Semper Fi in my signature I have no right to vent my displeasure?

WRONG

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least you can do is live up to the image for the fellas taking bullets for your retired self or refrain from boasting an affiliation while you act like a moron.

Sorry if you can't handle FACt but the image you are so intwined with is a recruiting image which isn't what REAL Marines are, Marines are Gruff theyare ruff round the edges and we certainly don't give a Rats behind abotu what you think is or is not what we are.

Over 230 years of romping, stomping, hell raising, death and destruction. The finest fighting machine the world has ever seen. We were born in a bomb crater, our mother an M-16, OUR FATHER IS THE DEVIL. Each moment that I live is an additional threat upon your life. I am a rough-looking, roving soldier of the sea. I am cocky, self-centered, and I do not fear... FOR I AM FEAR ITSELF. I am a green amphibious monster made of blood and guts who arose from the sea, and whose sole purpose is to perpetuate death and destruction upon the festering of ANTI-AMERICANS throughout the globe, WHENEVER AND WHEREVER IT MAY ARISE. And when my time comes, I will DIE LIKE A MARINE, a glorious death on the battlefield, giving my life for MOM, APPLE PIE, AND THE AMERICAN FLAG. We stole the eagle from the Air Force, the anchor from the Navy, the rope from the Army, and on the seventh day, while God was resting... WE OVERRAN HIS PERIMETER AND STOLE THE GLOBE. We've been running the show ever since. We live like soldiers, talk like sailors, AND SLAP THE HELL OUT OF BOTH OF THEM. Warrior by day, Lover by night, Drunkard by choice! MARINE BY GOD!!!

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Alrighty... looks like everyone needs to take a deep breath and call a truce!

Its obvious people can get a little hot under the collar when things don't work out quite like we expected. I believe we're seeing proof of that right here!

So everyone... take five...

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" I wasn't holding anything back on him. I ended the one sided conversation with So why don't you Just leave the area before I beat you within a inch of your life with your own gun! "

This is a comment made by a thug. Your not in the trenches and you may have just ruined this kids hopes of becoming a hunter....... Yuk!

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