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Tuscon Shooting

Even before the dust settled it seemed like the left was blaming the tea party, palin, beck, talk radio, etc for the tragic shootings in Tucson. Yet as the last few days have unfolded it has become more clear (although admittedly, more may come out over the next few weeks) that Jared Loughner is most likely mentally ill and more importantly for purpose of this thread not politically motivated. His reading list was mostly a bunch of classics read by many over their lifetime and standard fair for college students. No mention of Palin, Beck, the Tea Party, no diatribes about Obama. None, zilch, nada; nothing in his youtube and online ramblings either other than a bunch of nonsense.

Yet this doesn't seem to stop the Op-Ed section of the New York Times (and lefty media in general) from crowing about politically motivated hate violence and pointing fingers at anyone they dislike on the right. Where is this coming from? Far-lefties have self anointed themselves as the "smarter" party, so why are they having such a hard time wrapping their big brains around the facts?

I'm disgusted by the AZ shootings and I'm disgusted with the left-leaning media using this to advance their agenda.

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Ironically the lefties

Ironically the lefties rantings are creating exactly what they're accusing the right of doing. Palin tonight stated that she has been subjected to a dramatic increase in death threats. I'm sure all the other conservatives named by the media are being harassed as well.

Sheriff Dupnik who started this whole mess of finger-pointing should lose his job immediately. He is an officer of the law, and knows better than to make unsubstantiated accusations. 

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Sad thing

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Sheriff Dupnik who started this whole mess of finger-pointing should lose his job immediately. He is an officer of the law, and knows better than to make unsubstantiated accusations. 

It's a sad part of life, but officers of the law do this with great skill.  They shouldn't, but they do.  Why do you think so many inmates lately have been released from prison, expunged and pardoned based on scientific evidence (DNA)?  It was usually a detective's or cop's indiscreation that made certain people the wrong target to begin with.

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Dupnik didn't start it.  Saul Alinsky started it.  Alinsky's 1971 book "Rules for Radicals" is the liberal bible, and constitutes the playbook for divisive politics.  It lays out how to organize groups and use ridicule, labeling, and a host of other dirty tricks to disrupt a capitalist society and take it away from the "haves" to give to the "have nots."  It's all about getting power at any cost, through any means, and recognizes that people won't support the program...so you have to silence opposition.  The watershed event was the election of 1992, when the Clintons brought Alinsky to the White House.  The term "community organizer" is an Alinsky creation, and Obama spent his community organizing days teaching Alinsky to people.

If you haven't read the book, read it...it's chilling.  If you don't have time, at least Google it and read the high points.  You'll say, "Holy Cow!  That's happening!"  They're following it so precisely, so obviously, and so predictably, that it'll scare you.

The good news is that Alinsky is the only play they know, and they're utterly predictable.  Anyone who knows Alinsky knew how this was going to go days ago.  Bash Palin for being silent, and then bash her for speaking up.  Drag her into the forefront and blame her for murder, and then bash her for "making it all about her" when she says something about it.  Never let a crisis go to waste (Alinsky said it first, not Emmanuel).

Liberals count on people not knowing anything about Alinsky, which is why you NEVER hear the mainstream media mention him...even though he's the core doctrine of the Democratic Party.  It's also why the left is so desperate to silence alternative media like talk radio and the internet.  The reason they come so unglued about Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, etc, is because those folks know Alinsky and throw it back at them.  Nothing bothers liberals more than someone knowing the playbook and blocking the play. The problem with the Republican Party right now is that it's split between the old, pre-Alinsky establishment that keeps getting its butt kicked, and young post-Alinsky types like Palin, Jindal, etc who know how it works and are mopping the floor with the left.  This is why for the past 20 years, they've run people like Bush Sr, Bob Dole, John McCain, etc.  The Palins, Pawlentys, and Jindals right now are on the outside, working without much support from the Party.

Oh, yeah...and the sudden Democrat outrage over right-wing "hate speech" and "inflammatory rhetoric?"  It's because more conservatives are discovering and using Alinsky against the left...the Tea Party being a shining example.  That's a huge threat, and since Alinsky is the only thing the left knows, there's only one option -- silence the right and stop them.  There's no way the left can win on a level playing field, and if the right is allowed to use Alinsky tactics, the playing field is level.

As Sun Tzu said, "Know yourself and know your enemy, and you will not fail in a thousand battles." Every conservative needs to read and understand Alinsky to know how to defeat the left.  They're standing on a house of cards...Alinsky knew that and built his playbook to work around it.  Knowing Alinsky is the key to their defeat.

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When the ACLU stops working

When the ACLU stops working so hard to protect the rights of the mentally insane we'll likely see more people like Jared Loughner doing this type of stuff.  It's too convenient for the left winged liberal to want to place blame on the "Gun" instead of holding organizations like the ACLU responsible for reducing public safety.  The mentally insane need to be institutionalised to keep the rest of us safe. 

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Everybody's to blame

So far I've seen the following people, stuff and or organizations blamed by the media:

Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, Sarah Palin, WalMart, Glock USA, The Republican Part, The Democratic party, Hi Capacity magazines, Ammunition manufacturers, The Tea Party, Talk radio, His parents, His friends, Pima county college, The NRA, The Taxi driver who took him there, The fish and game officer who stopped him prior to the incident, law enforcement, society in general and guns of coarse. In his mug shot the suspect is grinning from ear to ear. I think the reason he's smiling is everyone is already gearing up to defend him by blaming everyone and anything but him. Which is sicker, the nutjob who pulls the trigger of the policitian who uses a tragedy like this to further their personal and political agenda.   

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Same with Columbine

BunnySlayer wrote:

So far I've seen the following people, stuff and or organizations blamed by the media:

Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, Sarah Palin, WalMart, Glock USA, The Republican Part, The Democratic party, Hi Capacity magazines, Ammunition manufacturers, The Tea Party, Talk radio, His parents, His friends, Pima county college, The NRA, The Taxi driver who took him there, The fish and game officer who stopped him prior to the incident, law enforcement, society in general and guns of coarse. In his mug shot the suspect is grinning from ear to ear. I think the reason he's smiling is everyone is already gearing up to defend him by blaming everyone and anything but him. Which is sicker, the nutjob who pulls the trigger of the policitian who uses a tragedy like this to further their personal and political agenda.   

It was the exact same thing with the Columbine School shooting in 1999.  I lived about 1/4 mile from the school at the time, but was on a flight the week of the shooting.  Even to this day everyone has been blamed except for the two killers themselves.  Even with their delinquent past and all the tragedy they caused everyone, the media only ever aired or showed the nice Senior pictures of the two killer depicting them as normal perfect kids.  I'm pretty sure mugshots exist, they just never wanted those kids seen in that light.  It seemed to be everyone else fault but their own.  People really went after the gun and ammo makers throats for a while back then.  That event actually led to the reason why Kmart stopped selling guns and ammo.

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Tucson Shooting

I'm reading Walter Lippmann's classic book, "Public Opinion" written in 1922.  At one point, he references reports in 1919 the Washington Post reported that Marines had landed on the Dalmatian coast under the direction of a foreign power.  Congress immediately went berserk as it turned into a rabid debate over the proposed League of Nations and whether a foreign power had committed us to an act of war.  It wasn't until later that the story came out that the Italians had asked the Marines to land in order to protect civilians, and that they'd already thanked the Marine commander.

As Lippmann put it, in such cases fiction is chosen over truth because the fiction is so badly needed.  In 1919, Republicans were desperate to score points against Wilson's League of Nations.  Today, the Democrats are desperate to score points against conservatives.

What concerns me right now is how they're using the issue to redefine the rules of the game in order to stifle the voice of opposition.  Of course, their tone is as coarse as ever...but heaven forbid that a Republican says something.  So what's the expectation here...a State of the Union Speech that the Republicans can't criticize?

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Silence is golden

Expat,

I believe this is why our founding fathers placed the first amendment ahead even of the first. Far easier to simply shut someone up than to have to deal with debating them. Especially when you know your arguement is flawed to begin with. This is why we hear more and more terms like, "hate speech" and "fairnes doctrine". It's simply a way to stifle argument and dissention. Our founding fathers (for all their wisdom) were far more un-civil to one another than we are now, to the point of fisticuffs and even duels (Hamilton and Burr) being fought over political issues.

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all too true

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Expat,

I believe this is why our founding fathers placed the first amendment ahead even of the first. Far easier to simply shut someone up than to have to deal with debating them. Especially when you know your arguement is flawed to begin with. This is why we hear more and more terms like, "hate speech" and "fairnes doctrine". It's simply a way to stifle argument and dissention. Our founding fathers (for all their wisdom) were far more un-civil to one another than we are now, to the point of fisticuffs and even duels (Hamilton and Burr) being fought over political issues.

This is very true Bunny and you make an excellent point.  I personally don't advocate violence unless it's used when all other means have been exhaused and fail.  I think there are better ways to handle most situations.  But I agree that the founding fathers were a rougher, stedfast, and more radical bunch than most people would have ever realised, at least more so than we are used to seeing today. They had a new country to forge and a new government to organize and install, but first a former ruler to defeat before it could all be sorted out. 

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