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A Trick Deal on Wolves?

I picked this up from the U. S. Sportsman Alliance Bulleyes Blog. It's kind of interesting read, sounds like the fed's are trying to make an end run around delisting the wolves in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota.

A Trick Deal on Wolves?     
Friday, April 22, 2011 2:27:54 PM
By Bill Horn, Director of Federal Affairs

For more than five years, the USSA has been fighting to remove the recovered wolf population in Michigan, Minnesota, and Wisconsin from the federal endangered species list.  The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service tried to “delist” these wolves in 2007 but was stymied by a federal judge in Washington, DC in 2008-09.

Last year we kept up the pressure by filing a new petition to delist the wolves.   The Service responded that it would grant the petition and declare the wolves recovered.  We expected formal action this spring.

Last week the Service announced its plans with a classic “give with one hand and take with the other” ploy.  The agency did declare gray wolves (Canis lupus) in the three states “recovered” and that a proposed delisting rule would be out shortly.  But they also declared the “discovery” of an entirely new wolf species – the Eastern gray wolf (Canis lycaon).  However the problem is, no one knows the population numbers or range of this new species, if it’s distinguishable from Canis lupus, or if delisting lupus (and returning management to the states) will impact lycaon.  

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A Trick Deal on Wolves?

Oh, that's sneaky...delist wolves, but then declare the discovery of a nearly identical sister species with extremely fragile numbers.  Of course, they're no doubt so nearly identical that you can't tell them apart with absolute certainty...so you'd have to protect gray wolves from hunters just to be sure.

Gotta love that...we have discovered a new species, but don't know if it's distinguishable?  So how did you decide it was a new species?  Isn't there some sort of distinction required?

Amazing...somehow within 30 years or so of reintroduction, a handful of wolves and an associated limited gene pool split into two different species -- something larger populations of gray wolves haven't done in thousands of years.  Darwin would be amazed by that one.  Let me guess...next we'll have a new rare species of black bear in New Jersey that will require cessation of all bear hunting for the sake of species preservation.  And we'll flat out have to shut down trapping...there may be a rare species of mink or beaver that looks and acts nearly identical to the main species and might wind up in a trap.  There's probably even a new species of duck out there that has learned to morph its plumage on a whim to blend in with whatever flock it encounters.  Better shut down duck hunting.

And here I thought it was junk science to ban lead rifle ammo and fishing sinkers.

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Should Try using that against

Should Try using that against them. Seems they have introduced a forign species in an area with an existing population of endangered species, and they should be required to trap and remove every one of those introduced species. I'm sure the right lawyer could more than make this case.

Alex

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I like the way Alex thinks.

I like the way Alex thinks. Thumbs up

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A trick deal on wolves?

That's a great idea...through meddling and mismanagement, they've done worse than introduce a non-native species.  They've produced an entirely new species that's unnatural and not only threatens prey species, but threatens the genetic continuation of traditional gray wolves.  Maybe the way to respond is to treat this like a disease...quarantine and eradicate all wolves where the suspected mutant species exists in order to make sure the mutant species is eliminated before it spreads across North America and destroys wolves as we know them.

I'm picturing Kurt Russell in "The Thing."

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That's what I'm saying , we

That's what I'm saying , we need to stop fighting these people like we're used to, and start using the system like they do. I'm sure that case would go all the way to the top ,and by using the system like they do ,there are grants to insure little guys like us can sue the governmet,  without using our money, thats how they do it to us ,so lets start using our heads in this battle.

Alex

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delisting the wolf

i'm getting really tired of reading this stuff. it seems like every day i read about some special interest group has lobbied for legislation to really put hunterrs out of the equiation.

too much legislation puts to a popular vote the decisions that need to be made by informed scientists at our devisions of wildlife. i'm a firm supporter that hunters should unite to create bills in our respective states to end the popular votes on wildlife bills. the decisions need to be made with disregard to what even we hunters want to see, they need to be made for the betterment of our ecosystems. and not to please some bleeding heart who thinks management is inhumane.

situations like oputlawing baiting for bears or mountain lions and outlawing the use of dogs (in areas of HIGH predator populations) are just rediculous.

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As far as I'm concerned it

As far as I'm concerned it should just be, "See wolf, shoot wolf."

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