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Redrider ,Your definately on the lise an so is hunter 777 and CVC . Call me a dumb blond if ya wish cause the shoe probbably fits LOL

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I didn't mean for you to pull all your pics. I thought they were great. Just the one with the choked out coyote. It was a perfect kill and I commend you on it. I know how fast a coyote will dispach itself in a snare but most people that see that pic would think the animal suffered before it died. I know that the coyote fights it so hard that they pass out in a matter of seconds and die very quickly. I also know that dogs won't fight a snare and will be sitting there waiting for you to let it out when you arrive (as long as there is no kill spring on it) but I think some people might see that picture and worry that it could have been their dog.
I want to ad that we can snare with full entanglement too and that our state was accused by the game commision of a neighboring state of accidentaly killing "several dogs" with snares, when they were talking about legalizing snares in their own state. Our trappers association heard this and disagreed with that statement and then researched it by contacting every single police dept and law enforcement agency in the state to ask if they had any record of a domestic dog being killed in a snare......NOT ONE SINGLE DOG WAS REPORTED KILLED IN A SNARE anywhere in any records. If your trappers association could use this info and any other info to bolster the advancement of trapping I can provide you with links to tons of information and can put you in contact with the guy that researched these accusations himself.
I wish you didn't pull all the pics. Oops!

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Hunter777. The pics were all removed for me . There have been a few dog killed in snares in Nova Scotia . That being the fault of the pet owners not the trapper . The law here states . No domestic animal shall run at large in any game habitat . I have seen many dogs running in the woods of Nova Scotia and seen lots of pics where they have killed deer . Dogs don't kill deer for food they do it for fun . To prevent dogs from being caught in traps or snares the D N R should be enforcing these laws . I hear of the dogs being caught but never the owner charged for allowing their pet to run at large . Any one whoe's dog gets caught in a trap or snare should be charged for letting the pet run loose and also for interferring with a legal activity . It is also illeagle to touch any legally set trap or snare . When the dog gets caught then the snare is no longer useable . I would love to see a dog in a snare . I have my camera around my neck at all times in the bush . I certainly would want the laws enforced on that one . People get charged for abusing their animals .And so the should , but they never get charged for their pet breaking the law This should be changed .Their even crying about the safety of kids now . Do you suppose they let their kids run at large to ? MAN !!! , there is a lot of people that have to wake up here .The season here for killing traps and snares is from the 1 st day of November to the last day of March . . The people know that pets get caught well they should use common sence and Know when the season is open to contain their pets . " DUMB PEOPLE "

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thenail wrote:
I do understand that the anties will use them as stepping stones in their battle to stop trapping . Pretty bad we can't enjoy our B G H .site to the fullest with freedom of pics and talks without some body preying on discussions and material for their own use . I guess it's like the old saying . Give ya enough roap and you'll hang yourself . That's what the anties are probbably wating for gathering all the info and pics that we post ourselves . We'll have to keep things to our selves in a PM .I 'll send some pics to guys or gals that want to chat on this thread and I am farmilliar with . I'll ask first if anybody wants to see them and only farmillar faces will recieve them .

I don't see the problem with posting those pics. This is a hunting site and we do things the antis don't like... and will continue to do those things! I think by self-censoring our own forums we have let the antis win a victory and that is not right in my books. They are going to warp what we say, do, and post no matter how much we hide it. We shouldn't have to hide something we love so much. They are not hiding their views and pics on their websites just because a hunter may be looking at the site. I needed to get that off my chest. Stand proud and cherish our hunting/trapping livestyle and to hell with the antis and their narrow-minded, mis-informed views. Brick Wall,) Evil! Thumbs up

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I SECOND THAT CHESTER Thumbs up Thumbs up Thumbs up Thumbs up Thumbs up Thumbs up

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Chestergolf , I agree with you 100 % to heii with the anties . It would be wonderful if every hunter and trapper felt that way but I think a lot of hunters and trappers are afraid of the anties . They don't worry me in the least .The pic of the coyote hanging in the snare was my favorite because I know very well that ,that is one less that is going to grabb a deer and teare it apart alive .It 's a terriable thing for me to catch a coyote by the foot and shoot it ." How Cruel " But it's not cruel for a few coyotes to drag down a deer and start eating alive . When the animal goes down the coyote just riping it apart "HOW UNCRUEL " I don't think so !!!! Anyway to keep peace . I'll pm the cruel pics . This a hunting site but we can't use it as such . It is sad .!!!!!!!!!

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thenail, if you don't mind ill look at the pics to if you wanna PM them to me!!!

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Are you allowed to use kill springs in your area?
As far as knowing that the anti's will use your pics and even quote what we say. I belong to a trapping forum where pictures, names and the things that people were talking about were copied, reposted and edited to make things sound worse than they were. Some of the things that were quoted and reposted were bad enough that no editing was nesesary. These things were used in campaigns to end trapping. The anti's said these are direct quotes from trappers and I have to admit it myself. Some of the stuff was really bad.
I don't think anything that you posted was all that bad and certainly no worse than anything they already have but just a reminder that we are constantly monitored by people that have nothing better to do with their live's.
Sorry man......I respect you and your abilities as an outdoorsman.
I have a pic of a canine on a string from last season too.

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thanks for the pics nail, trapping looks interesting...

what are the costs like for something like that, or can you give me a run over of basically what you do?

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Hunter < we have a few new trap regulations comming into effect in the next couple of years . I'll try to copy and paste it for you . Not that good at that stuff yet . Here goes . Implementation
Updated March 17, 2006

The Canadian Wildlife Directors, Competent Authorities for implementation of the Agreement on International Humane Trapping Standards (AIHTS), have approved a 3-phase process for implementing the AIHTS in Canada. The following lists show the three phases for regulating species-specific traps: (1) the certified traps to be regulated for specific species in 2007; (2) certified traps that will not be affected at that time, pending development of testing technologies; and, (3) the future addition of cage and box traps. The traps listed by name have all been certified as meeting the requirements of the AIHTS for specific species, through the Canadian trap-testing program administered by the Fur Institute of Canada.

Phase 1. STARTING IN FALL 2007 - Certified Traps to be regulated for trapping the following species:

KILLING TRAPS
SPECIES CERTIFIED TRAPS TO BE REGULATED FOR USE IN FALL 2007
BEAVER
Underwater and On Land Bélisle Classic 330 LDL C280 Species-Specific 330 Dislocator Half Magnum
Bélisle Super X 280 LDL C330 Species-Specific 440 Dislocator Half Magnum
Bélisle Super X 330 Rudy 280 Woodstream Oneida Victor Conibear 280
B.M.I. 330 Body Gripper Rudy 330 Woodstream Oneida Victor Conibear 330
Bridger 330 Sauvageau 2001-11

BEAVER
On Land Only Sauvageau 1000-11F
BEAVER
Underwater Only Duke 330 B.M.I. 280 Body Gripper Sauvageau 2001-8

FISHER Bélisle Super X 120 Koro #2 Sauvageau 2001-5
Bélisle Super X 160 LDL C160 Magnum Sauvageau 2001-8
Bélisle Super X 220 LDL C220 Magnum

MARTEN Bélisle Super X 120 LDL B120 Magnum Sauvageau C120 Magnum
B.M.I. 126 Magnum Body Gripper Rudy 120 Magnum Sauvageau 2001-5

RACCOON Bélisle Classic 220 Duke 220 Sauvageau 2001-6
Bélisle Super X 160 LDL C 160 Sauvageau 2001-7
Bélisle Super X 220 LDL C 220 Sauvageau 2001-8
B.M.I. 160 Body Gripper LDL C 220 Magnum Species-Specific 220 Dislocator Half Magnum
B.M.I. 220 Body Gripper Rudy 160 Woodstream Oneida Victor Conibear 160
Bridger 160
Bridger 220 Rudy 220 Woodstream Oneida Victor Conibear 220

MUSKRAT
On Land Bélisle Super X 120 Bridger 120 Sauvageau 2001-5
B.M.I. 120 LDL B120 Magnum Triple M
B.M.I. 120 Magnum Rudy 120 Magnum Woodstream Oneida Victor Conibear 110
B.M.I. 126 Magnum Sauvageau C120 Magnum Woodstream Oneida Victor Conibear 120

MUSKRAT
Underwater Any jaw type trap (body gripping or leghold) set as a submersion set that exerts clamping force on a muskrat and that maintains a muskrat underwater.
LEGHOLD RESTRAINING TRAPS
SPECIES CERTIFIED TRAPS TO BE REGULATED FOR USE IN FALL 2007
LYNX Bélisle Footsnare Oneida Victor #3 Soft Catch equipped with 4 coil springs Oneida Victor #3 equipped with a minimum of 8mm thick, non-offset steel jaws, 4 coil springs and an anchoring swivel centre mounted on a base plate
Oneida Victor #3 Soft Catch equipped with 2 coil springs

CERTIFIED trap models are given exclusive identification letters that manufacturers will have to mark on traps they manufacture in 2007 and beyond. Trappers may still legally use these same trap models after the implementation of the AIHTS (2007), regardless of whether they bear this mark.

Phase 2. YEAR OF IMPLEMENTATION TO BE DETERMINED - Certified Traps to be regulated after 2007 for trapping the following species:

Although the traps listed in Phase 2 are certified for the following species and trap categories, the year of entry into force of the obligation to use only AIHTS Certified traps has not yet been determined. This date, which could vary from one species to another, will be known at least 3 years in advance.

Until then, traps that are currently legally permitted can still be used.

Check with your provincial or territorial government for regulations related to trap uses applicable in your trapping area.

KILLING TRAPS
SPECIES TRAPS CERTIFIED BUT NOT MANDATORY FOR USE IN FALL 2007
OTTER Woodstream Oneida Victor Conibear 330
WEASEL Victor Rat Trap
LYNX Woodstream Oneida Victor Conibear 330
BOBCAT, BADGER No killing trap certified to date

LEGHOLD RESTRAINING TRAPS
SPECIES TRAPS CERTIFIED BUT NOT MANDATORY FOR USE IN FALL 2007
COYOTE Bélisle Footsnare
Oneida Victor #3 Soft Catch equipped with 2 coil springs
Bridger #3 equipped with 5/16-inch offset, doubled rounded steel jaw laminations (3/16-inch on topside of jaw and ¼-inch on underside of jaws), with 4 coil springs and an anchoring swivel centre mounted on a base plate.
WOLF No leghold restraining trap certified to date
BOBCAT Bélisle Footsnare

Phase 3. YEAR OF IMPLEMENTATION TO BE DETERMINED - Cage and Box Traps to be Regulated after 2007 for live-trapping the following species:

LIVE CAPTURE CAGES OR BOXES
SPECIES TRAPS CERTIFIED BUT NOT MANDATORY FOR USE IN FALL 2007
BEAVER, RACCOON,
FISHER, MARTEN,
MUSKRAT, OTTER,
WEASEL, LYNX, BOBCAT, BADGER No live capture cage or box certified to date

THIS LIST WILL BE UPDATED AS ADDITIONAL TRAPS ARE CERTIFIED

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