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OK, so maybe I was wrong -- this may in fact be the most transparent administration in history. Its actions are so ham-fisted it's ridiculously easy to see the agenda.

Obama says he wants to spend a fortune on a new Marine One fleet after saying he wants to cut military weapons systems -- and lo and behold, suddenly the press is full of stories about how Marine One has been compromised to the Iranians. Oh my! The President's in danger! We need a new helicopter fleet right now!

So the guy who pledged to put an end to the "politics of fear" has how decided to embrace it as a means of getting his way. The link's for you, Civet, since you apparently won't believe that Obama ever contradicts himself.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article31017...

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Actually what I'd like is a link where he says he's going ahead with the funding for the fully equiped Marine one, not the ones already made but the ones not yet begun? Sounded to me like he put the kabosh to it. He did say, "I think the helicopter I have now is just fine"

I'd also like a link showing where he filled the press full of stories about the Iranians. I heard the stories, but not that he or anyone at the executive branch had planted them.

What does no good is a link to an old article about him and hillary from a year ago.

You are right about transparency. If you want to find out something mostly they post it online.

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The link to the campaign was to reference his rejection of the "politics of fear."

So the story about Marine One isn't valid if the administration didn't plant the story? The point is the press carrying Obama's water for him. We'll see what happens when the military budget gets worked.

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There was a recent exchange between Obama and McCain re marine one. Obama responded to what seemed a pointed question with graciousness and seriousness and even deflected what seemed snarky by making it into a joke about himself. It was widely seen as an example of Obama being nice to McCain. So the marine one was in the news.

I think if it hadn't been in the news, the Iranians getting computer info about the helicopter wouldn't have merited mention. We don't even know if the computer breach was intentional, might well have been someone downloading music files. I think it's kind of a non story.

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The current fleet of helo's that make up the presidents fleet are old technoligicaly in a time of turmoil and terrorism. They need to be upgraded for the safety of our leaders. Even one's I don't care for. This desision was made in the last administration not in this one. It needs to happen. I can fault Obama for enough without including this.

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You know, I might buy that argument except for the fact that our frontline aircraft that actually go into combat (vs just transporting dignitaries). Our newest F-15Cs, for example, are 23 years old. Our B-52 fleet is pushing 50. There's a big difference between a helo that flies low and slow and combat aircraft. But yet people complain about buying F-22s, F-35s, and new bombers.

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I'm not sure but I think the first generation of new helicopters are just about ready and completed. I'd bet they will be delivered and the others will be scratched. I've forgoten the price tag but it was rediculous. Huge boondogle to shuttle one guy.

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...especially for a guy who bashes executives for private aircraft.

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I can't deny the inflated price but this isn't about Obama it's about the security of our leadership whomever they may be.

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This article was written a week or two befroe McCain's question.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/16/us/politics/16chopper.html
Maybe no coincidence, McCain and I read the same paper regularly. Good background on the history of Marine one and especially this model. Looks like 3 are about ready. If they went ahead and bought all 28 the cost would be 400 million per aircraft.

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Huge boondogle to shuttle one guy.

I can't fault the logic there. On the other hand the current helo's are vulnerable to just about any kind of ground or missle fire. What would your solution be? Additionaly these aricraft shuttle more than just the president but also the Vice Pres, Sec Def, Sec State and others. Obama faces more threats than Bush. How does the thought of a Timmothy McVeigh with a stinger missile on pennsylvania ave grab you? Obama's not my choice for Pres but I don't want him assassinated either. Tough choice but given the times I'd opt for the new choppers. Some of them anyway.

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