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cowgal wrote:
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ISen. Reid Keeps His Eye Out for Nevada
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123379350206949971.html

And the Dumbocrats keep chanting - "there are no earmarks, there are no earmarks!" No pork, really, really! eye roll

Ah, Cowgal, gotta love you! Always hyper vigilant and watchful for the slightest perceived ill or misstep hannity, limbaugh, or nugent, tells you to rail about on the Dems.

But, overlooking every behemoth bungling act your 'perfect' repugnantcans act out. Again, I will tell you my friend your team, your guys, your politics, have gotten us into the mess were in right now. The history of America didn't start a month ago. You don't care at all about money pissed in the wind by the last admin and rethug congress, but now act indignant at money spent here on us on Americans.

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SoCo and Civetcat, it all depends on who you choose to believe. Sure I can find news articles that claim the railroad $$$ are bogus, or that they are earmarked for several projects, not just the Harry Reid railroad, and then you have other people that interpret and dissect the bill and come to very different conclusions.

The problem is that many of the items included in this massive spending bill are open ended, meaning its a big money grab and in many cases we have yet to see who indeed ends up with the $$$.

There is one item and at the moment I cannot remember the $$ amount associated with it, that simply said "science" - no explanation, no guidelines, nothing. Just a sum of money allotted to science. I don't know if the final version was amended or not. Been trying to access the PDFs on the white house site today and can't get any of them to download.

The fact remains that 8 billion was allotted to railroad expansion. Is this something that Americans even need - or want? And more importantly should our tax $$ even be funding this? This is an area that private enterprise should be investing in - but they're not, because its not profitable. Now don't get me wrong, I'm all for light rail in cities for commuters, it can be efficient. I just don't want my fed tax $$ spent on light rail. Its a cost that should be voted on and incurred in that specific city or state. Here in Colorado they've talked for years about a rail system along the I-70 corridor into the mountains. It hasn't gone anywhere, because the cost is prohibitive. Some projects just are not good use of public tax $$.

Lastly, enough of the liar crap. The dems are experts at twisting and manipulating, guess I'll start calling them liars as well. Currently the dems are enjoying a media that is happy to put the appropriate spin on anything coming out of Washington. To the small handful of media (yes Fox) I say kudos for probing and asking the tough questions. Someone needs to be vigilant, yes even hyper-vigilant.

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http://www.recovery.gov/
and this one
http://www.whitehouse.gov/assets/documents/Recovery_Act_congressional_di...
based on numbers crunched on this one
http://otrans.3cdn.net/45593e8ecbd339d074_l3m6bt1te.pdf

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1 billion is included in the stimulus package for a train from Las Vegas to LA.
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Yup, Harry Reid slipped that one in.

From Dictionary dot com lie 1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.

I'm sorry to be so blunt, but we have to stop this kind of stuff. Seeing something differenly or having an opinion are very different than telling a deliberate lie.

It isn't in the stimulous package, Reid didn't slip anything in. No ACORN money, no mice.

I recently watched Fox for a couple hours a day for 3 days. They continuously deliberately lie.

Every time I see a lie repeated I will say something about it. Lying about these kinds of things creates misperceptions.

Feel free to say something if I make an untrue statement. I make an effort not to do so and I try only to read good sources that diferentiate between opinion and fact so that I don't mistake the two. We can say we don't like someone, or we disagree with them, or they are bad for the country, those are open to opinion. But saying something is in a bill, when it isn't, is a lie.

As part of the give and take Specter got 3 billion directed towards research at the National Institute of Health. It's not for any paticular person or research facility at the NIS, the largest NIS building is in another state, I wouldn't call it an earmark. Specter just thinks that employing research in health is a good way to employ scientists. He's an old man, doesn't care about re election, his vote probably cost him his primary. One of the women from Maine isn't up for re election for 6 years, she also could care less about votes. Maine got the same amount as anywhere. Collins was big on stopping whistle blower protection in the US gov, I've no idea why.

Didn't they say anything about this on Fox?

A lot of infrastructure doesn't have an immeadiate pay off in dollars, but in aggregate it causes countries to thrive, or not. Interstate highways, telephone lines, electric grids, sewers, roads, rural broadband. We elected congress and they all got together (the ones who wanted to participate) and decided that light rail would employ lots of people to build it, be a boost to the economies of the places serviced by it, and reduce our dependance on foriegn oil from places we migh not like. We call such a project a triple whamy, jobs, infrastructure, oil independence. It's an opinion that this is a good type of spending, an opinion that a vast majority of our representatives held.

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The supposed lies are your opinion. The misperceptions are yours, not mine.

If you review the PDF file, not only is there 8 billion allotted for railroads, then another 1.3 billion to Amtrak and another vague one for 6.9 billion for "transit capital assistance." You can't tell me that Harry Reid won't be all over these for his own state. He's promised his constituents to grab as much of the money for Nevada as he can.

And I don't doubt that Acorn will have their hands in the pot as well.

Review the bill, you'll see that most high ticket items have very vague language. I guess I'm looking at this all wrong, I need to figure out how to get a piece of this pie Mr. Cool! instead of fighting in.

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Oh well, some people just have a hard time admiting mistakes, I hope you are more carefull on who you quote next time. Think about what source got you to insert that foot.

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I recently watched Fox for a couple hours a day for 3 days. They continuously deliberately lie.

Civet, just because you don't agree with something doesn't make it a lie. I-DId-Not-Have-Sexual-Relations-With-That-Woman. Now THAT'S a lie. Having a difference of opinion with the way news is slanted doesn't make it untruthful. If that were so that would make NBC, CBS, CNN all the biggest liars since P.T. Barnum. I'd be a lot more willing to believe what FOX says than these liberal spin doctors any day. I can only assume that since all you can do is point your finger and whine Liar Liar that your arguments are again threatened to the breaking point and this is what you do to stay in the game. Considering that you're on a pro gun, pro hunting web site and trying to pass yourself off as a hunter and gun owner I'd be a bit more careful about throwing the word liar around. That could be a double edged sword for you.

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I'm not trying to pass myself off as anything.

Opinion is very different from fact.

It's a fact that Washington's picture is on the $ bill, it's an opinion that he was a good president.

It's a fact that the stimulus bill has nothing in it about a train from LA to Vegas,

it's an opinion that somehow Reid is going to subvert money from the bill to do just that. An opinion based on who knows what but only an opinion.

The bill is all there in black and white, read it. I provided the links.

Part of the problem with the modern Republican party is that they have problems with truthiness. The American people get it. Part of fixing a problem is realizing that you have a problem. Lying to yourself is a big problem. Lying to the American public becomes a problem once the tide goes out and it's realized who has no pants on. Tides out, look down.

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So who's getting the money Mr truthiness?? There is too much vagueness in the bill. And yes I did read some good sized chunks of it. The truth is that much is up for grabs, that's not opinion - that's fact. And you're going to tell me that Harry Reid won't be in their scooping up a good portion? Yeah, right!

What's all over the news today, yup your good ole NBC, CBS, etc., - how do I get my chunk? What's in it for me, me, me!

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civetcat wrote:
Governments raise money with taxes. Some consider that taking money from businesses and people that earn it, true, that's what taxes are. Just printing the stuff doesn't work, otherwise we could use the monopoly money.

No you can't just use monopoly money however when Governments print up some money when they need it, it will be worth about as much as monopoly money
Our Treasury used to be based on Gold but now it is based on Credit Score.
So that leads us to taking peoples and businesses money from them and...doing what?...Cut it up and give it back to people who had it before but now they have less cause Government has not only taken their share but has given it to people who have already proven that they cannot manage money or business.
So that makes paying for stimulus bill with taxes unwise and detrimental to the economy and you can't just print money, So whats left to do?..........

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Your number one answer to surplusses isn't quite right. We don't get surplusses by borrowing, borrowing makes a deficit. That actually puts the finger on one of the problems of recent fiscal history.

Those weren't answers, they were "options".
Finally we agree on something.
So, now we have determined that Borrowing is not good for the economy and Taxing is not good for economy, whats left to do?........Well that about covers it don't it? I suppose you could include "cutting spending" as an option and normally that would be a good one however we are talking about a stimulus bill and the whole point is to spend.
So as I see it, and you seem to concur, the stimulus bill is NOT the right thing to do for the economy.

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On a different note I don't appreciate getting told to educate myself. For the most part I take pains not to poke fun when some people have an obvious lack of education. This is a hunting forum and I value all ideas wether they are stated by an educated person or not. You obviously don't know me or my educational background.

Neither do we.

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civetcat wrote:
I'm not trying to pass myself off as anything.

Opinion is very different from fact.

It's a fact that Washington's picture is on the $ bill, it's an opinion that he was a good president.

It's a fact that the stimulus bill has nothing in it about a train from LA to Vegas,

it's an opinion that somehow Reid is going to subvert money from the bill to do just that. An opinion based on who knows what but only an opinion.

Only problem with that line of thinking is that, according to you, when it is a Repubs or Fox News opinion, then it is a lie.
When it is a dems opinion it is the golden truth handed down by the messiah himself.

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