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Heard this morning that 1 billion is included in the stimulus package for a train from Las Vegas to LA.

Is this the train fo nowhere?

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I thought it was 8 billion. Yup, Harry Reid slipped that one in. A dusty old project that he's been trying to get funding for, for 8+ years and kept getting voted down. Now he snuck it in.

I'm sure we'll find many more projects like this that got snuck in, since no one was really paying attention. No one read this bill before signing off on it, not even Obama.

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Yeah...these were the same people throwing such a fit about building a bridge between Ketchikan and its airport.

Amtrak required a government subsidy of around $1.25 billion last year. And yet it lost $132 per passenger between Seattle and LA in 2006. That's not surprising when you consider that a train ticket between those two cities costs as much as an airline, and it's a 35 hour trip. No doubt the Dems hope to bring those same "savings" to the LA - Vegas route.

That's why it fits right into the Democratic platform. They assume that people will want to pay more money for a mode of transport that'll be far more inconvenient, simply because they want to be European.

Oh, and Obama's complaints about businesses having junkets in Vegas is killing the Vegas economy. These people don't care about cost or effectiveness; all they care about is ideology.

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Heard this morning that 1 billion is included in the stimulus package for a train from Las Vegas to LA.

From who?

Any idea where in the stimulus package it says that?

Because I more than strongly suspect that this is just another one of those, well, you know, bald faced lies like the mouse in California stuff. So that congresman Boner says something, Bill Kristol the hack at the Standard repeats it, and it's gospel? Even if it's not true? Remember ACORN? The word truthiness entered the English language to describe just these sorts of things.

I'd really suggest that you think about where you heard that, and consider not quoting anything that sounds a little bit funny from that source again.

You see there are these things called Federally Designated Corridors -- and you have to have a designated corridor to get any of the $8b. And the route LA to Sin City isn't a degnated corridor. http://www.fra.dot.gov/us/printcontent/203 So there are all these places that have been studied and passed all kinds of impact studies and feasability studies and nesting salamander studies and they are in line first.

They want an LA to Vegas line, but they don't even know if they can yet. And stimulous needs to be spent now, not in 2020.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-rail_bdfeb15,0,539143...

I know you guys hate Google, but sometimes it has it's uses.

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These people don't care about cost or effectiveness; all they care about is ideology.

So that's how we create surpluses and balance budgets? Guess we should just do like the last 3 Repug Presidents and drive the bus into the ditch.I like your second third and fourth senteces, but I don't have time.

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You're right civetcat, google is great - especially the news tab.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/breaking_news/39532792.html
The language is so broad in the bill, that Reid will indeed be able to get the funds for his pet project.

If you really want all the nitty-gritty details of the bill, just look it up on the whitehouse.gov site, its called the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (what a joke!). You can download in several huge chunks and have a good time trying to decipher. Its a big mess, and intentionally so.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/arra_public_review/

In the first document on page 25 you will find the information for the 8 billion for "CAPITAL ASSISTANCE FOR HIGH SPEED RAIL CORRIDORS AND INTERCITY PASSENGER RAIL SERVICE."

By the way, these documents are now in searchable PDF format (to date they were photocopied complete with hand scratchings, making it impossible to search). I find it ironic that the electronic version is now posted on the day its to be signed - and they're asking for comments, thought and ideas. Who cares? Its been shoved down our throats, no one cares what the public wants or thinks about this whole mess. And civetcat you're delusional if you believe all dems are for this bill, they're not. I do not know of one person that is for this bill, dem or repub - and I'm not some farmer living in my own world. Anyone with a sane functioning brain knows its asinine for vote for a bill when you don't even know what the hell you're voting for!! The "trust me" crap just doesn't cut it with most, no matter what party they align with. And I'm willing to bet that Obama doesn't even know what he's signing off on.

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What's a mere billion to keep the casinos in business when Washington is throwing the dice with trillions at stake. Our trillions by the way. I can only hope they keep the booze and hookers to a minimum as we're probably paying for that too! Remember what Reagan told the Russians? A billion here, a billion there and pretty soon your talking about a lot of money!

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I don't know about the train, but I read this before the senate had passed the stimulus bill. It doesn't mention anything about trains, but some readers will find it interesting...

Sen. Reid Keeps His Eye Out for Nevada
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123379350206949971.html

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So that's how we create surpluses and balance budgets? .

Create surpluses?
Where did that "Surpluses" come from?
Do you have any Idea where Government gets it's "Surpluses" from?
Google it yet? Wiki?

I'll answer it for you to save you some precious time that you'll need to look for some more trash on Bush.
There are 3 ways government can get "surpluses';
1)- Borrow it
2)-just print more money
3)-take it from people, investors and businesses.

You call any of that "surpluses"?
Every single one of those choices will hurt the economy. That's not just political rhetoric, that's economics.
You should really educate yourself on some level of economics. Take a night class, online class, any class besides wiki and google.
You should also wiki G. W. Bush. There you'll find that he is no longer president of the United States. This whole new other guy, B.H. Obama, is the president now. Maybe we should concern ourselves on what he is doing.
You might also google , Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. There you'll find they are the leaders of the Senate and the House, respectively. That would be the Congress, where the ACTUAL budgets get passed.
Well I'll be danged, says here that Congress passed the stimulus bill, that would be Pelosi and Reid lead Congress, and not even a mention of Bush. Oh but he'll get the blame for it sooner or later. Dang Bush, I really hate that guy!!. eye roll

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bitmasher wrote:
ISen. Reid Keeps His Eye Out for Nevada
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123379350206949971.html

And the Dumbocrats keep chanting - "there are no earmarks, there are no earmarks!" No pork, really, really! eye roll

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So it was a lie.

And now you all know it was a lie, and yet still you stretch to try to defend a lie. What I'd like to know is why. I mean if you know that something is obviously a lie, why repeat it? Are you liars? Didn't your moms and dads bring you up to believe lying is bad?

I suggested google as a tool you can use yourself before posting. I mean what is your purpose of posting to post solid information that can be of use to other people, or propaganda that you know is untrue?

The National Republican Senatorial Committee saying that "well there's so much money in there that Ried just might use some of that money for an LA to vegas rail line" just doesn't cut it. Even if they do write it in a small, anti Ried, Nevada newspaper. Neither does saying that on page whatever of the bill it says "8 billion for high speed rail and so there", I want to see where it says anything about an LA to Vegas line. Still waiting all you googlers. Still waiting. Oh well maybe, oh my gosh, it aint there. And we aren't talking about wether or not there is pork in the bill, ask Susan Collins. What we are talking about are lies. ACORN, mice in California, and LA to Vegas rail lines.

Don't use google to post obscure sources to back up an untruthfull point, use it to fact check yourself before posting. What would your mom and dad think about your lying?

To get funding a rail line has to be on an already approved corridor. And the LA to Vegas stretch isn't.

One real obvious way to spot these lies is that they have a very brief shelf life. They are put out as talking points by Drudge or Limaugh, repeated by the hacks for 24hours, hopefully repeated or at least quoted by the MSM then they die. Why do they die? Someone at the MSM fact checks them, or they hear from the liberal blogesphere, and then everyone knows don't use the railroad lie anymore or someone might call you out on it. Why doesn't anyone say anything about this rail line anymore? Why no more ACORN? Why no more mice saving?

You've been used.

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Oh Jtapia,

Looked at simply budgets are like kitchen table check books. If you spend more than you take in you have a deficit, take in more than you spend you have a surplus. A quick look at the numbers tells you which is the party that creates surpluses or deficits. Governments raise money with taxes. Some consider that taking money from businesses and people that earn it, true, that's what taxes are. Just printing the stuff doesn't work, otherwise we could use the monopoly money.

Your number one answer to surplusses isn't quite right. We don't get surplusses by borrowing, borrowing makes a deficit. That actually puts the finger on one of the problems of recent fiscal history.

On a different note I don't appreciate getting told to educate myself. For the most part I take pains not to poke fun when some people have an obvious lack of education. This is a hunting forum and I value all ideas wether they are stated by an educated person or not. You obviously don't know me or my educational background.

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