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Like Serious Hunter, I am/was (now retired) a college professor. In my home state of Michigan, as a CCW license holder, I could legally carry my weapon on campus anywhere EXCEPT into the classroom. My college recognized this right and our campus police were armed. I do not know the rational behind being prohibited from carrying in the classroom but I do know that if I was in my office and shots ecoed down the halls, I would have been checking it out with gun in hand. "Gun Free" zones invite crazies to do things like Columbine and Virginia Tech!

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Who in the hell would do something like that. its so sad.

You gotta be pretty retarted to walk into a school and kill people.

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I walked into a grocery store today and saw the shooter's face on every tabloid and magazine. I don't think he was retarded. He found an effective way to get his five minutes of fame and as long as our media turns it into the circus it does there will always be loser kids that don't fit in that lose their marbles and do something like this. Chuncks of lead flying both dirctions will stop this! Utah requires its colleges to allow kids with a Concealed weapons permit to carry on campus so it's already being tested. How many school shootings in Utah? Let's see how long it takes. I'll wager a box of shells it never happens there, at least not near this degree.
Hank

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To me it's pretty simple. Every shooting spree that I can recall over the past several years has generally ended the same way -- with the shooter's death by firearm. Various gun laws, differences in police protection, etc, seem to have little effect, but that point has been consistent. So IMO the best way to stop it is to accelerate the arrival of a firearm that can take out the shooter. There's no way cops can get there in time, but concealed weapon holders certainly can.

Unfortunately, we'll never know if initiatives like Utah's work. If someone like Cho gets killed by a citizen after shooting one person, the media won't carry it because it's only two deaths and they have no interest in covering a CCW success. Mass shootings that were prevented don't make the news.

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The only problem is that if you have a bunch of armed CCW holders in a place where someone goes on a shooting rampage, one of the CCW holders may shoot and kill the bad guy, but then there stands the armed CCW holder after he guns down the bad guy, with all the confusion a termoil another CCW holder will see the armed good guy and shoot the good guy who just shot the bad guy not knowing that this guy actually saved the day. If your in a place where plain clothed good guys are shooting it out with plain clothed bad guys, you just don't know who's who. It presents a bit of a problem.

However, I've actually had a city police officer tell me once that they often respond to calls on a weekly basis where an armed citizen has scared off an intruder or thwarted a crime because a law abiding citizen was armed. No shots fired, but the citizens calling the cops to report as soon as these incidents have happened. In fact he said that stuff like that happens much more often than most people would care to hear about. Never gets picked up by the media because no violence or death occurs. He went on to say that we (cops) can't be on every street corner to prevent crime everywhere all the time. I agree. I just have never relied on the cops to keep us safe or protect my family. That's my duty.

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This week is finals week. As a student was turning in his exam, he slipped me a box of 45 ACP ammo and said he's working on his CWP and will be in campus security next fall.

Another student slipped me a box of double magnum turkey loads. Perfect for my outing tomorrow.

I love it out here in the west. My hope is western civilization restored!!!

SH

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Serious Hunter wrote:
This week is finals week. As a student was turning in his exam, he slipped me a box of 45 ACP ammo and said he's working on his CWP and will be in campus security next fall.

Another student slipped me a box of double magnum turkey loads. Perfect for my outing tomorrow.

I love it out here in the west. My hope is western civilization restored!!!

SH

Do they slip you the ammo because they like you or because they need all the help they can get in getting a good grade?

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The transfers were made totally independent of being able to influence thier grades.

Do they like me? My life is an open book - what they see is what they get.

Plus I'm learning the `law of attraction'.

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Just in ... apparently one of my students has organized a sizeable group challenging the University policy of [no] firearms. They are working with the State Attorney General on the matter.

Whoa ... cool.

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What is the basis of their challenge?

I take the Attorney General is supportive?

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