ill have to try that

That is a great Idea i should try that THANKS

well, over here in the UK, we can't hunt with a bow and arrow, and field archery has become such a mire of regulations and expense that I just pack up my gear, grab a bag of food and head out into the woods for a days roving. I'm lucky to live in an area where I can stalk deer, so I measure how close I manage to get to a given deer, and then later, while wandering, try to hit the middle of similar sized stumps, clumps of grass etc from a similar distance.

Time well wasted!!

i'm going to get judo tips tomorrow!!!!!!!