John, couple questions for you.....Where would cougars be likely to live in PA...what type of terrain etc...where would one have a better chance of seeing one etc.? I hunt all over PA in different areas and just curious where my best chance of seeing one or finding sign would be so I can keep my eyes open. Thanks!
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Sun, 2006-11-05 21:21#21
Wed, 2006-11-08 17:13#22
wild cougars in Keystone State
The majority of the remaining wild cougars or mountain lions in Pennsylvania are within the Black Forest and along the ridges of the Appalachian Mountains from NE Pa/New York that run SW into Bedford,Somerset & //Fulton Counties.
There is quite a bit of documentation as to theri continued presence in this vast wilderness area dating from late 1800s thru 2006.
There have been several tracks found & photographed, tail drags with tracks in snow, photographs & videotapes...and according to new studies being conducted by retire Prof. Dennis Wydra, he has data on at least 2 cougars being killed along I-80.
Last March, 2 camp owners, who are rare & endangered species biologists, that a dispute between 2 male couagers resulted in eventual death to one. We are seeking location of that 1 severely injured, probably now dead cougar.
DNA matched flesh found at battle site to that of a 'north' american puma. North American is a sure indication of a wild puma, same as the one kileld by a train in Randolph County, Illinois in 2001.
Cougars are NOT walking here from the west as many state gane and independent cougar groups are trying to convince the public of. NATIVE cougars have been here on a continous basis since their ancestors roamed the eastern U.S. over 100 years ago.
Cluster events over multiple decades prove without any doubt except in the little minds of critical skeptics, who refused to acknowledge gathered proof.
Cluster reports ARE being used in the western U.S. to estimate the number of cougars in any given area, yet the same agencies who use the data in the western states, claim that data is wrong when applied to the east.
John A. Lutz - firstname.lastname@example.org
Wed, 2006-11-08 19:31#23
Great info, thanks John!
Wed, 2006-11-08 22:27#24
I have never heard of "the black forest" in Pennsylvania. Where is that?
Thu, 2006-11-09 09:04#25
Pennsylvania Black Forest
The Black Forest of Pennsylvania lies across the northern one-half of the state from Centre County north to NY State Line. The counties of Susquehanna, Bradford, Sullivan, Lycomimg, Tioga, Potter, Clinton, Cameron, McKena, Clearfield, Warren, Forest & Elk all encompass the Black Forest where multiple species of strange wildlife survive.
Parts of western Fulton and all of Bedford & eastern Somerset Counties make up the southern portion of the Black Forest.
A Potter County videotape from 2002 shows a black panther as it crosses a cleared patch of grass and weeds...
Thu, 2006-11-09 18:14#27
Interesting stuff, my fiancee was raised in Bradford County and when she was young, her and her mother had what they believed to be a black panther run directly across the road in front of their car.....she said it leaped across the road and the image she remembers was that of a puma in full stride like on the "puma" logo.
Fri, 2006-11-10 06:36#28
Bedford Co, Pa Black Panther
In reply to Buckmaster, yes, southern Bedford Co, Pa has been the scene of numerous large black panther-puma sightings since the mid-1940s. We have a Baltimore, Md News-Post article dated Oct, 1965, detailing good sightings of a large black panther in Green Ridge State Forest, the Buck Valley & Chaneysville area.
In late 1989, multiple sightings of a large Black Panther by school children & teachers at Chaneysville-Cove Elem School was one part of a wave of credible reports. On Nov 5th, 1989, a law enforcement officer observed the black panther approaching farm aniamls & shot at the cat, which fled. No blood stains were found, so it was assumed the cat was not hit.
Sightings still continue and a videotape of the Black Panther exists, which the Eastern Puma Research Network has a copy. It was filmed by a retired police officier.
In recent months, several horses have been attacked by a mountain lion in the Flintstone area, as well as 3 hogs near Buck Valley, Pa. I'd like to have a complete report on your wife's family's incident & ask you to e-mail me at email@example.com
John A. Lutz
Fri, 2006-11-10 08:16#29
This is an intresting thred. I've got a question tho. If there was a coverup by game dept's about large cat's, why? I went down thru W. V. several years ago and some residents down there were talking about the cats but no one ever saw them. None of this makes sense to me. It's sort of like our "Big Foot" tales out here. I to believe that if something really existed, weather "Big Foot" or big cats, there would be some indisputable proof. But at the same time grizzley's were believed to still be in patrs of Colo and in fact one was reported killed there a number of years ago. I think that the best tracks as evidence that something exists are those that have the something standing in them.
Of the many sightings of Big Foot that have been reported and even the photo's that exits, most have been proved false. Sadly the false photo's and reports make beliving something exists that most never see hard to swallow. But the stories are great even if only legend. Another thing, that the tropic cat's might live in northern states, probally true. Another incident when I lived in Greely, Colo was a sighting of a croc. near Ft. Collins. Every body poopaed it until some kid watched his dog get eaten. What they found was a crock and the excuse was that someone had one as a pet and turned it loose. It's possible that the big cat sightings could be from pet animals that have been turned loose or escaped.
In Neb one year, I saw an african lion. Everybody told me I was nut's. Yet a few days later it was reported that one had escaped a circus but had been re-captured. But the thing about escaped or thuned loose pet's is that I would think they'd have little fear of humans and therefor would be relatively easy to spot.
Fri, 2006-11-10 13:15#30
An ennormous amount of evidence exists as to the presence of wild cougars and few released captives.
We have some detailed data as to evidence on our webs-ite at:
As to other evidence, there has been at least 30 cougars or cubs killled on roads or by trains in last 15 years. Good documented evidence of cougars exist with clear pictures, videos and hundreds if not thousands of plaster casts of tracks 7 DNA analysis is being conducted at 3 universities for us as we write this message.
Cluster events over 4, 5 & 6 decades of repeated sightings, backed with documentation exists in 9 eastern s taes. Thgis type of data is readily acknolwdged in the Ropcky Mtn states by USF&WS. When documenetd in eaatern states thru clusters, the same agency calls it worthless data.
BTW, Bigfoot does exist......my former partner at work was nicknamed Bigfoot. He wore a size 14 shoe.
John A. Lutz
Eastern Puma Research Network