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Theres plenty for them to eat.

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NJ Cougars
hunter777 wrote:
Theres plenty for them to eat.

All across the eastern U.S., there are an abundance of prey for dinner and snacks for big cats. Except for the large cities, where derilics are plentiful, the cats would not have too many people challenging them for food.

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Is there a lack of interest in cougar, puma, mountain lion or black panther reports or sightings??

There appears to be a diminishing number of people wanting to discuss the subject??

Or has the recent and increasing amount of skeptical responses by critical scientists NOT wanting the native cougar issue to be front and center in the media, doing everything in their power to downplay the big cats presence??

New evidence is being discovered on a semi-regular basis now.

Scientists are scrambling to destroy much of the evidence already collected & have even resorted to ridiculing famous early cougar scientists like Bruce S. Wright, James Breathe, Herbert Ravenal Sass, Ivan T. Sanderson, Charles Humphreys and others.

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black cats??

I'm a little concerned about the "Black Panther" talk. To date there has NEVER been a black cougar (felis concolor) shot, photographed, sucessfully bred, or proved to exist. The black cats we see on TV are generally Leopards or Jaguars, which are not native to the US. (except the Jaguar to extreme south regions)
I expect the North American Black Panther is more cryptozoology than real science and study.
The black pigment of the jaguars and leopards is caused by a mutation in the genes similar to albinism, however, unlike an albino the black cats can survive and reproduce because the mutation is not a detriment.
If there was a sighting of a big black cat i would bet it was a release of something other than a cougar. BG

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Mr Lutz,
Who have you been studying for? What agency? I agree that there are cats in places that people would not expect. I don't agree that it's an elaborate "cover up" by agency officials or a release program as many people think. If they were being released they would be protected...right?

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black panther (cougar, mountain lion, puma)

I dislike disagreeing with someone, but you are incorrect, when saying evience does NOT exist as to black panthers, whether they are pumas, jaguars or leopards.

We have 5 videotapes plus 1 complete set of pictures, of which 4 tapes & the set of pictures clearly show a large BLACK puma. This set of 3 pictures were taken in central Pennsylvania in Nov, 1978. They intrigued the PGC so much, that a local officer immediately said, "black cougar".

PGC's Pittsbugh Office officials also said, "black puma" & told the photographer, they would further discuss the 3 pics with him & would call him back shortly. After 13 years of NOT hearing from the PGC, he gave the set to us(Eastern Puma Research Network). These pictures are on the EPRN web-site.

As to the other tapes, only 1 is slightly fuzzy, but the others are as clear as a bell. Only critical scientists and skeptics cannot or will not look at the evidence with an open mind. Its highly possible the black cats may be of jaguar or leopard ancestory, but there are black jags as well as leopards in Soouth & Central America. Whats to keep them from walking north & becoming part of the lanscapre.

31% of all big cat sightings are of large black cats. Can all those people, including surpreme court judges, trauma specialists, wildlife, forestry & law enforcement officials be wrong?? Large black pumas, leopards or jaguars are out there in the wild....and there are several 9 pictures from early 1900s showing the black cats....

John A. Lutz

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black cats

This is a perfect example of pseudoscience and paranoia. The idea that the game wardens and wildlife biologists would want to "cover up" the existance of the big cats is a joke. I looked at the website you mentioned and saw one picture of the "black panther". It was grainy and had poor resolution. What characteristics lead us to believe that it's a cougar and not a release leopard or jaguar.
I would love to find real evidence of a black cougar. I live in WA where we have lots of cats around, all of them are tawny colored. How could we explain a black variant in the eastern cats? They're the same species and at one time (not long ago) they were a contiguous population.
It would be really cool o have hard evidence. However, we need a carcass or somthing more tangible than a distant sighting or poor quality photograph.
Don't get the idea that I wouldn't like to find such an animal. I just can't imagine that through all the hours hunting and searching someone wouldn't have killed one to examine.
And a ABSOLUTELY think the conspiracy theory about the game wardens and biologists is a joke. They (we) would love to find hard proof of the animals also.

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black panthers

Pseudoscience and paranoia play no part in the fact that both natural color pumas and black panthers are very much in evidence across eastern North America. Those 2 words only exist in the ridicule pushed on witnesses who report such large cats.
I have no idea what animals roam Washington State, as we do not handle reports west of the Mississippi River.
Since local field conservation officers are the 1st to respond to the scene of a reported incident., most give an honest assessments of the event they are investigating. About 85% of reports are verbal resulting in initial conclusions based on witness rememberance of their observation. It is then when specific details are very important, and should not be discarded.
However, days or even weeks later, when reading a final report from office biologists at times hundreds of miles from the event, the reports have been changed so drastically, its oathetic. That is the general tactic used by critical skeptics, who do not want to handle or admit to a specific animal's presence.

Black panthers continue to be reported from more tropical or warmer ares then the colder conditions of the north.. This indicates to us, the original origin of the black cats could be the jungles of central and south america.
Several biologists in Texas are now trying to determine if nature is allowing cougars to mate with leopards or jaguars. Scientists in the past have claimed, bobcats and lynx cannot mate. But nature has other ideas, since several of them has shown the science falacy to be incorrect as several
"blynx" have made their appearence in Michigan, Maine & Wisconsin.

We never say, "nature cannot produce what scientists claim".....One should talk with the animals....as we do, to find new discoveries just waiting to occur on the earth.

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This is definitely an interesting thread.....I reported a sighting to trackincats earlier this year. I know they exist over here in eastern PA!

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cougars in eastern Pennsylvania

There has been some documentation of cougars in eastern & SE Pennsylvania over last few years. There are at least 3 adult cougars, 1 male and 2 females who apparently have established a few territories that extend from SE Pa into Cecil County, Maryland & northern New Castle County, Delaware.

The females are believed to be 2nd or 3rd generation offspring of the wild cougars that were seen and documented along the Susquehanna River of Harford & Cecil Counties in Maryland between the mid-1960s & early 1970s.

This writer along with Lt. Courtney Jordan, Tex Byers & Zoologist Ted Roth of the foundling Eastern Puma Research Network in Baltimore, Maryland at that time, conducted dozens of field searches with assistance from Md & Pa State Police Troopers and several local law enforcement agencies found multiple tracks of cougars and 1 cub during the late 1960s & early 70s.

At that time, we believed the cougars had roamed down the Susquehanna from the northern mountains.
A few could have also wandered in from the small cougar population of the Gumboro Swamp of southern Sussex County, Delaware, which is the headwaters of the Pocomoke River of Maryland...where dozens of black panther and greyish cougar sightings have been reported since the days of the Nanticoke Indian presence.....

John A. Lutz. .