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So you're ok with injecting poison into a viable fetus?

Worry about how our enemy is treated, but ok with poisoning an unborn child. Wow, I am speechless.

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Civet, that's a pretty thin explanation on the "semi auto converted carbine" line. Has anyone else perusing this forum ever heard this kind of language? Since when do gun "freaks" not like the term "assault rifle?" I've been around gun enthusiasts and reading gun publications for decades, and have never EVER heard of anyone having a problem with the term -- nor have I ever heard anyone claim they were "converted" versions.

Gun "freaks" as you call them (interesting how you chose that word) know their guns. Posers and wannabes come up with stuff like you just came up with.

What I find disturbing is that you're willing to throw the rights of people under the bus without even knowing what the issue is.

And by the way, there is no full-auto version of an SKS, which is one of the weapons highest on the assault rifle list. If you had actual knowledge in this area, you'd know that. The fact that you think all assault rifles are semi-auto versions of full auto military rifles further reveals your ignorance in this area.

Also, the Clinton assault weapons ban had nothing to do with the definition you just gave. It defined them as semi-autos that can take a detachable magazine and had two or more of the following: folding stock, pistol grip, bayonet mount, flash suppressor, or grenade launcher. So once again, you're supporting reinstatement of legislation that affects people's Constitutional rights without even knowing what the legislation would entail.

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So you're ok with injecting poison into a viable fetus?

No, why, are you?

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Worry about how our enemy is treated

Well we got a little problem here, I just don't know who our enemies are? Do you? Could be a pretty broad defenition. Would you exclude children? What about cab drivers? Would you include anyone of a different religion? Would you exclude US citizens? What about naturalized citizens? Before you know it we have enemies everywhere. Been there before.

But about torture no. No country in the world endorses torture. Our civilization has shunned it since the enlightenment back in who knows when. We have laws about it. So does every country.

Expat don't be clinging now.

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So you're ok with injecting poison into a viable fetus?

No, why, are you?

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Worry about how our enemy is treated

Well we got a little problem here, I just don't know who our enemies are? Do you? Could be a pretty broad defenition. Would you exclude children? What about cab drivers? Would you include anyone of a different religion? Would you exclude US citizens? What about naturalized citizens? Before you know it we have enemies everywhere. Been there before.

But about torture no. No country in the world endorses torture. Our civilization has shunned it since the enlightenment back in who knows when. We have laws about it. So does every country.

Expat don't be clinging now.

Keep posting responses like this one and people are going to be convinced you're a troll.

Your post rambles and makes very little sense.

Try again or feel free to attack me.

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Well we got a little problem here, I just don't know who our enemies are? Do you?

As a matter of fact, yes I do. Their the ones shooting at us, ramming planes in to our buildings, sending their children out as suicide bombers and beheading people on video. Seeing them isnt hard, try opening you eyes.

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Would you include anyone of a different religion? Would you exclude US citizens? What about naturalized citizens?

Would I exclude people of different religion? It's hard to discuss religion or politics when being shot at. Are you implying if I was being attacked by Baptists I wouldn't fight back? If their trying to kill Americans I'm an equal opportunity kind of guy. US citizens? If I rememeber right McVeigh and Nichols were Americans and we executed one of them . Should we release Mr. Nichols when gitmo closes? Are you against executing or imprisoning all terrorists or just Muslims ones? Again we see your hate and contempt for America manifest itself. I guess it's OK to execute people in your book as long as their right wing Americans. Only Muslim terrorists are afforded protections under the 4th, 5th and 6th amendments?

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Before you know it we have enemies everywhere. Been there before.

And you accuse the right of being paranoid. Maybe it's a good thing you don't have any guns.

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What to do about Gitmo
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/23/opinion/23sun1-1.html?partner=permalin...

Kiddie Terrorists, oops I guess we'll just let them go, oops a dead one.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hAEfHc4NtIu0vu0My2wjyW...

Woo, the counsel for Justice tells us how it's ok to torture someones kid if that might convince someone to give up info, burry alive, fingernails. Great stuff. Just like some sort of fraternity initiation right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIOAPYuDdTk

Prosecuting Colonel quits in disgust over confession obtained by torture of teen. Judge throws out the case.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jlCL5E8vR9c_cAtk1IuBr...

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Civetcat, help me understand your views on torture.

Torture is defined as inflicting physical or pschological pain - is this how you define it?

Torture - in any form and for any reason is wrong?

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Getting accurate ages for Afghans is a tough thing to do, because most births are undocumented. I see that one article says he's now 21, and another says he's "about 23." How do we know his age? I guarantee you the answer to that question came from him.

I have a few questions for you:

If a teenager is throwing grenades at you and trying to kill you, do you just let him go? Do grenades only become dangerous when the thrower turns 18? Maybe our troops should check IDs before firing back.

Bottom line is that ordnance is no respector of age.

Also, the article doesn't say "tortured." It says "coerced." We don't know what techniques were used, which gets us back to the difference between torture and coercion. You apparently believe that any form of coercion is torture.

But the question for you is: how many uncoerced confessions do you think we get out of killers? Do you think these people are sitting around the battlefield waiting to incriminate themelves and their peers?

And finally, the article doesn't say the prosecutor quit over disgust over confession of a teen obtained by torture. It says he quit over "ethical concerns" -- and in the field of law "ethical concerns" covers a whole lot of ground. You're being dishonest again and saying the article says something it doesn't -- which is a sign of intellectual desperation.

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OMG, Civet!! How can this kind of torture be happening in America? The horror...the horror...

Warning...graphic images.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,456665,00.html

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