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For the sake of argument, let's just hypothesize that ''magical'' was used as an adjective. There is actually plenty of technical data on those rifles on and off the website. Research that's not thorough is not research at all.

The 4/10ths versus the 7/10ths guarantee? Did you actually look at what some of the groups his signature rifles shot were? The ones described in the Field and Stream article were about 1/10-1/15 of an inch center to center!!!! Must be that ''magic.''
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Hey CaptO, I thought you would like to know that Kenny recommends the 280 AI over any of his belted cartridges for benchrest work.

Here is his quote...

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Kenny Jarrett, the well-known custom-rifle maker (Jarrett Rifles, Inc., 383 Brown Road, Jackson, SC 29831; 803-471-3616), has built upwards of 700 rifles chambered in .280 Rem. Improved and recommends the round because of its accuracy and efficiency. I've seen five-shot 100-yard groups fired with a Jarrett-built .280 Ackley Improved that could be covered with a dime. Velocity is around 3,150 fps with a 140-grain bullet, which is well above standard .280 velocity and almost equals 7mm Rem. Mag. performance.

http://www.outdoorlife.com/outdoor/hunting/upland/article/0,19912,195062...

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Anything better than MOA is gravy in a hunting rifle.

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I'm sorry but I didn't catch where he actually flat out recommended it over his belted cartridges. Perhaps you could show me that part?

Although I did catch the part about the groups being small enough to be covered with a dime.

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As if this is worthy of a reply: there are plenty of good rifles, custom or not, out there. I'm sure Jarrett rifles are just fine but there really is no way of saying with 100 percent certainty who is the best unless you were to take a large sample of each rifle (say 75 each) of each caliber from each manufacturer or custom builder and fire them all from a slaved postion under identical conditions. In other words, a sound statistical analysis free of the influence and consequent bias that factory reps and shop representatives have on outdoor writers is the only way of answering the question - not articles from Field and Stream. I've seen factory rifles shoot tight groups (and yes, some of them under a dime) and custom rifles that will do the same. I've also seen them both shoot patterns like a shotgun with the wrong ammunition. I'm sure Jarrett lives up to their end of the bargain with every rifle, but that doesn't make them the authority on the sporting world and what cartridges should be brought forth.

By your logic, because a single rifle maker (Jarrett) does not make any WSMs (not yet anyway) then that means the short magnums are no good - even though everyone else is making them (with good reason). So if we apply that same logic and give it even more steam, then that means the 280 Remington is really no good because no one wants to chamber it anymore aside from one major manufacturer and custom shops! In simpler terms, it's like saying that hamburgers are no good because your favorite fast food restaurant is Chik Fil-A and they only sell chicken.

And please read carefully, I was comparing lightweight rifles to lightweight rifles (the windwalker - not the heavier signature that is in your beloved article) - it's what's called a 'valid comparison' albeit a simple one for the sake of illustration that a factory rifle can indeed shoot under a custom makers guarantee numbers.

You could keep this argument up if you want to, but I'm not sure that you are armed well enough. Maybe you could call up your favorite custom shop and arm yourself with $6,650 worth of knowledge and get back to me.

Captain O said: "Research that's not thorough is not research at all." - be very careful here. I've looked at some of your other posts.

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Your little ''by your logic'' rant was yet another interesting example of how you have this compulsive need to put words into peoples' mouths. Although I could argue with one part- typically chicken is better for your health than hamburger. neener!

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The quote is not explicit about preferring unbelted versus belted for bench work; however it is implied. If you are interviewed by a major publication about which cartridge is best for an accurate wildcat, it stands to reason that you won't mention something that is less than optimal. Kenny didn't mention one of his own belted wild cats in the article, that implies they are probably not the most accurate offering. My statement was a leap, but not much of one.

At any rate, I called up Jarrett today and inquired about what they would prefer to chamber a bench rest rifle in for the best accuracy. The answer was 6mm ppc, when I asked about 284 or 300 Jarrett, they felt those cartridges were better for hunting rifles. Sounds reasonable to me. Belted cartridges are at a small but real disadvantage to unbelted cartridges in terms of accuracy. Although it takes a very good gun and shooter to discern the difference. For the average sporter weight hunting rifle, the accuracy difference between a 300 WSM and a 300 Win Mag is negligible.

BTW, Jarrett does offer their guns in the short mags as well as many other cartridges not listed on their site, such as 6mm PPC.

As a side note, I've read about Kenny for several years now and had the opportunity to mess with a few of his rifles. Quality appears to be number one. They seem like great folks and a Jarrett gun really is something to be proud of.

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Has anyone asked Kenny Jarrett if he head spaces the belted cases from the belt or the shoulder? Does he use the belted cases strictly for capacity?

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Or if a 308 loads hotter than a 30-06?

For a benchrest rifle? HELL no you wouldn't use a belted round! I know the 6mm PPC-USA is the most accurate competition cartridge in the world, as it has set and broken more world records than any other cartridge, but still if it came right down to it I would take the 7mm Bench Rest over it.

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Or if a 308 loads hotter than a 30-06?

For a benchrest rifle? HELL no you wouldn't use a belted round! I know the 6mm PPC-USA is the most accurate competition cartridge in the world, as it has set and broken more world records than any other cartridge, but still if it came right down to it I would take the 7mm Bench Rest over it.

yes we do use belted rounds for benchrest...... Yes the 6ppc is used for only 100yrd comp. which yes it dominates.... but for 1,000yrd there is maby 1 or 2 that dont have a belt on them and they are all Ackley Improved rounds.... but as of late the 300wsm has been showing up here and there,... with good results..... but i guess the 6.5-284 isnt a bench round and all the guys who have shot and set world records with the 300winchester were just lucky Shame on You!

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Wow, a compulsive need ...you must be really, really smart to get me so dialed in. I'm also not sure I'd call it a rant unless I was someone in over his head and completely numb to the finer nuances of logical thought. Keep trying though.

Don't start a thread that is purposefully challenging to another person and be surprised when you get a reply that you don't like. Personally, I like to converse with real sportsmen, so please don't comment if you can't muster a response that is coherent and somewhat knowledgeable. Remember, I'm not the one that everyone else on this board calls obnoxious, oblivious, etc. Oh but wait, it must be everyone else who is wrong...

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