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Today's Rifles

The tip on making a custom rifle made me think of this.  Besides calibers, what changes have their been in modern rifles compared to those a couple decades back?  Has technology improved rifles?

I imagine that computer technology has improved manufacturing precision, but is that true.

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Honestly, I don't believe

Honestly, I don't believe so.  I actually think they may be not as good as in the past.  You used to have people who actually took pride in what they were producing, put some love into it so to speak.  Nowadays, it seems like it's all about the bottom line, and about mass producing to get the items out the door.  The only thing that may be better is the barrel itself, with the computers being more precise than hand measurements, but I don't know.  I would rather go hunting with a 30 year old, $300 rifle that has killed 20 deer, than a brand new out of the box $1500 rifle that has never been field tested.  Kinda like everything else in today's society.  Cars, electronics, etc.  I'll take stuff made 30 years ago over anything today.  Well, maybe not everything, but most things... Wink

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I was thinking specifically

I was thinking specifically about the barrel's rifling when I mentioned computers, but other than that I can't think how today's guns are better.  I do think the guns of yester year had more character and individuality.  The advent of synthetic stocks have made today's guns look too much alike and sterile, but you can't fault them as they serve a purpose for harsh weather conditions and reducing weight.

Funny how some things are just hard to improve on.  Kind of like trains, they are just as relevant today as they were a hundred years ago.

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I personally believe that a

I personally believe that a rifle is one thing that really can not be improved on.  With that being said and before the arguments start look at it this way.  A hundred years ago you had a choice between a compleatly hand made one or one that was turned out on an assembly line, much like today.  With the hand made one the worker paid attention to the smallest detail where the one on the assembly line came out with a little bit of hand work but it was functional.  The hand made one was also functional but there was a lot more attention to the fine details and polishing of the points where the metal contacted other metal and the wood and felt smother when you worked the action without any furthur work.  Now as far as accuracy perhaps the hand made one would shoot a tighter group than the one off of the assembly line or perhaps it was the other way around.  There are a few other factors that would affect that. 

It is a like the difference between a couple of manufactures even 40 years ago.  Weatherby would garantee their rifles to be  sub MOA at 100 yards and sent out a target with every rifle that they sold.  At that time no other manufacture of factory rifles did that.  Weatherby had a short time when they didn't send out the targets but have started to do it again, also some other manufactures have started to do it also. 

As far as rifling a barrell there are only 4 ways to do it.  Some prefer one way over the other witch is an argument in itself.  They are Broach rifling that uses a hardened steel rod with several cutting rings spaced down the rod.  Button riling witch  is a very hard steel plug that is forced down an unrifled barrel.  Hammer forged rifling witch uses a mandrel that is pulled through the barrell witch is then hammered to take the shape of the mandrell and then the outside of the barrell is finished.  Then there is Electrochemical rifling In a process that eliminates the conventional machining of metal, rifling is formed by wet-etching the interior of a barrel under an electric current.  Both broach and button rifling are considered conventional rifling techniques.  It all depends on the rifle manufacture on witch method is used. 

Even now as far and witch rifle to buy is up to you.  A custom job with a lot of hand work will set you back a few thousand dollars and will come out of the box just as smooth as a babies bottom where as the one from a standard factory will be a few hundred dollars and a little rough but it will get the job done. 

It is quite possible that they may be able to program a computer to build you a custom one that is just as smooth and just as nice but I don't think that they can replace the human touch or the eye on a custom rifle.

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Would you consider the use of

Would you consider the use of stainless steel an improvement?  I think it is as it prevents the barrel from rusting like the blued ones will do if you don't promptly oil them after getting wet. 

I think perhaps the real improvements come in the optics we put on the rifles.  The current scopes are unmatched.

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Well, I would consider it an

Well, I would consider it an improvement in the sense that the lazy gun owners will be able to get away with a little less upkeep on their weapon.  However, for those that clean and oil their gun on a regular basis, I don't believe the stainless barrel makes that big a difference.

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Stainless steel is an

Stainless steel is an improvement but it has been available in a rifle barrell for over 60 years in blued and other various coatings for them. 

You also make a good point in that a lot of people think that stainless will not rust.  The facts are that is it rust resistant but will over time.  So no matter what the material is you should wipe down your rifle after being out in the snow or rain for a days hunt.  Stainless is just more forgiving to the hunter that doesn't bother to wipe it down. 

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In agree that stainless steel

In agree that stainless steel is a improvement. Do I want everyone of my rifles to sport a stainless steel barrel though? Absolutely not. So apparently it is not a game changing improvement by any means. I can see why some of you might say that quality might have actually decreased some over the years. But accuracy is one place that has definitely increased across the board. I was just reading an article by Jim Carmichel the other day where he was talking about just this. He said that when he was younger, if he knew that you would be able to buy a 300 dollar rifle that shot minute of angle by now, it would have made him sick to his stomach how much he had to pay for those type of results back then. He argued that although factory --even budget priced-- rifles like the vanguard are not nearly as handsome as the rifles that he used to dump tons of money on, they shoot better than most of his old guns. Now there are guys out there that only want an amazing looking rifle in their hands. And there are guys that just want something that shoots and functions well. I tend to fall in the middle of that spectrum so for me. I like today's mid price range factory rifles like the Remington Model 700. Great accuracy and looks.

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old steel

My dad helped a coworker out of a fix one time , landed a Springfield .270 when dad put that gun in my hand he told me that this is the familey gun to be passed down from son to son . I asked him if he'd take a "thousand?" he said "no"..   5000? ,    again he said no.. What if some guy offers me 10 grand. he said  No sir. That guns not for sale at any price.  He simply told me that when i shot that gun, I'd know why when i got back to OG   I went out to a friends laid her in a sled with a  factory  150 gr. core lock a  fixed 4 power weaver at 100 yards . I let Mr Tousend do the honors he is a 290lb. man that grewup hunting deer on horse back loves a 4570 and sleeps with a 300rum in other words i trust his finger more than mine and i whanted to know exactly what my olman was saying ,we walked down the 100point to a hole dead center of a red bulls eye ."Dang thats dead on" then he said "yeap" he pulled the trigger again . When we got back down there I thought he missed the whole target closer inspection showed me something Id never even heard of before  unless were talkin bout robin hood. I found out later after the scope had been removed that I am the holder of a 1903 custom cut . Folks tell me there won't never be another 1903 They just dont make steel like that any more. Oh I imagin EdBrown or MurryCrow could do it but my old man picked this out for 300 dollars . Technology is there but  I'd rather a good mic/cal man with the patience of Job over a puter .

My sons got that gun now.              I bought a savage.            God blessem.

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It is quite amazing to think

It is quite amazing to think about the "tools" that were around for our grandparents to use that are still the best tools to use today.  Not many, except guns.  Guns that are over decades old are still some of the best shooters and the best lookers too. 

My Winchester .30.30 model 94 is over forty years old and is still a great old gun.  I got the gun from my dad so it is one that I will keep too.

Yes, definitely keep the gun in the family.

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