I think that if there are other hunters in your area using the same scent then the chances of it working drop with every (or maybe even the first) bad encounter that the deer comes up against.
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Tue, 2006-11-28 23:10#11
Tue, 2006-11-28 23:46#12
Question: does tinks work?...Answer: in SOME situations yes...Question: Is it the best product on the market? Answer: NO by a LONG shot!!! Fact...Tinks uses urine from other species and also preservatives.. A deer can EASILY detect these other oders and 7 outta 10 times will be spooked by them if there had been ANY pressure put on them at all...Now yes you will get a curious YOUNG buck in with them possibly, but an older wiser buck that has been hunted will shy away from it 75% or more of the time. As I posted somewhere on another thread 2 easy simple rules will aid you in buying a QUALITY deer scent...1: if it doesnt have to be refriderated DONT BUY IT. Pure urine and the feremones (spelled wrong but I aint lookin it up) will break down very quickly in room temps. If it has no preservitives then it will break down.....2: if it isnt CLEARLY marked COLLECTED FROM A SINGLE DOE IN ESTRUS do not buy. Multiple scents will also spook an older buck,,,,People need to remember the survival instincts of an older buck.....they didnt get older by being stupid...Now I have been hearing good things about VX-1 in the solid form and the liquid but I havnt as of yet tried it. I usually collect the urine from my doe kills and the urine and tarsals from my bucks and freeze it immediatly for use next year...Cant beat the real thing no matter what ANY marketer tries to pawn off on ya.. HOpe this helps with the questions...And all my statements here have been based on FACTS and experiance of MANY years in the woods...Not some hype from a magazine...Good luck to ya...Oh yeah...and the peanut butter trick...always been afraid to try it cuzz of that old saying...Just a little squirrel trying to get a nutt
Wed, 2006-11-29 09:07#13
I've tried the Peanut Butter trick, All I found was one hungry squirell and the divot in my butt to prove it
Jeeezzzz! Be carefull out there! Smallgame season is coming back in time to GET EVEN!!!!!
Wed, 2006-11-29 09:16#14
cam69, thanks for the reply,I did well w/the peanutbutter had a nice buck behind me .....and that's where he stayed , so I could'nt get a shot but he's coming over to meet my parents this weekend.....P.S. With the way the world is today everyone needs a little humor in there diet!!!!!!
Wed, 2006-11-29 09:20#15
Wed, 2006-11-29 09:57#16
OK cam69conv, let me set the record str8, You Said "Tinks uses urine from other species and also preservatives"
WRONG, As an EXAMPLE Tinks#69 Formula is made from WHITETAIL DOE in their estrous cycle and only uses 100% natural ingredients.. You can view this fact at their Website... http://www.usahardware.com/inet/shop/item/50520/icn/20-652453/tinks/w630...
You Also Said "
an older wiser buck that has been hunted will shy away from it 75% or more of the time"
My Reply: Well The 4 1/2 year old 8 Pointer I just got on Nov. 12th 2006 kicks that statement in the butt.
Then You said "And all my statements here have been based on FACTS and experiance of MANY years in the woods...Not some hype from a magazine"
My Reply: I've been harvesting Whitetail deer now for 32 years, I've built one heck of a reputation over all them years and I've helped young hunters not only get started hunting BUT helped them get their FIRST DEER in their FIRST YEAR... I've always done my best to help confused hunters like yourself BUT I never once claimed to be the best hunter alive and I've still got tons of things to learn myself ...
Let me leave you with a quote from A Legend Whitetail hunter Himself, The son of Whitetail King Larry Benoit ,, Mr. Lanny Benoit,
Vermont deer hunters lead the whitetail pack.....
"Vermonters grow up wanting to be better hunters," Benoit said. "They read, talk, breathe deer hunting.
Turn a good Vermont hunter loose in Saskatchewan, said Benoit, and just watch what could be done."
that's a Quote from this website http://www.wildernesstrader.com/new_page_2.htm
Happy Hunting !!!!
Wed, 2006-11-29 10:54#17
Bruce.....Just because thier site says its from 100% natural ingredients does NOT mean its 100% doe urine.. The bottle ITSELF says it has preservatives...Just because they are conciderd NATURAL preservatives doesnt mean that they are supposed to be in urine... To my Knowledge Deer do not produce preservatives in thier PEE!!!!! Confused? Bruce I have well over 100 BUCK kills under my belt and double that in doe not to mention every other North American big game animal except for moose (havnt drawn a tag yet) and over 70% of ALL those Kills have been taken with either a Traditional or compound BOW. My success depends on getting close and knowing my target animal as well as I possibly can. A deers olfactory lobe can distinguish 1 part per MILLION.... Its a well known fact that Tinks uses urine from other species in thier products. Now you may have had LIMITED success with it and thats all well and fine...good for ya...But so far you have talked about 2 deer...I DID say 75%...Now that leaves 25% (for those easily CONFUSED about math) that get a success with it. In your successes can you bet your last dollar that that scent pad was the reason that deer came in? Could it not have been that you just got yaself on a good trail? There are MANY combinations that could have brought that 8 point you got in to range. Could be that deer had NO PRESSURE on it or had NEVER contacted a lure scent before with a bad experiance. Deer can be curious creatures when not on alert and rather than spooking its thinkin what the hell is that smell?? Before you go believing all that BS on some site try looking at the bottles themselves. Try having one of those bottles ANALYZED by a lab. I have and it contained 27 products that are NOT PRODUCED FROM A DEER. FACT...Not Stuff that some company wants you to read on thier site. Now as was said before...Tinks in the past when it was small DID have a decent product but nowadays yes it will stop a buck for a second to check it out...But if its had any pressure on it and its on alert...Believe me bud...Its gonna spook the second its brain figures out that aint PURE doe pee. Before you spout off saying someone is confused you may wish to UNCONFUSE yourself!
Wed, 2006-11-29 12:23#18
Good post cam69conv...I hunted in WI for many years and stopped using those types of scents because it seemed to spook deer more than it brought them in. Before I moved I would use only Fresh Earth cover-up and a grunt call and it was more productive than Tinks ever was. I don't think anyone is disputing that Tinks may work every once in a while in the right situation. But more times than not it will not work. I would rather put time into having my stand in the right spot, rather than relying on Tinks or any other product to bring the deer to me. Knowing the hunting pressure of the area I was hunting, I would have a hard time believing that Tinks would work that well in your area.
When other hunters can see a deer tracking you, I would say that it probably some intense hunting pressure, and deer would be less likely to come in to Tinks having come across it from other hunters.
I may not know what I'm talking about though, since I didn't grow up hunting deer in Vermont.
Wed, 2006-11-29 12:27#19
cam69,Holy heck what a post.The point about tinks mixing alot of other things in thier urine goes back to my comment (THEY MUST HAVE A BIG BARN).common cents is telling me that it would be impossible to keep that many whitetailes in captivity to supply every walmart,gander mt,cabelas,k-mart,bow shop or sporting good shop across the us and canada...am I correct in thinking that ? How much urine can a doe produce while in esrtus?I went on tinks websight and saw a picture of a huge 10 pointer that was recently taken in Iowa , it was him ,the deer and tinks products (NICELY PROPED UP AGAINST THE DEER UNOPENED)but I saw this pic a week ago and it had the dude ,crossbow and deer.Just makes ya wonder if he even used tinks or is he trying to make a dollar.......in witch I don't have a prob w/anyone trying to get a head in life.Tinks is out to make money period,part of hunting is luck ,that's why ya don't shoot bucks every time ya use scents......the luck is what keeps it fun and interesting!......THE OLD PEANUTBUTTER GITS UM EVERY TIME!
Wed, 2006-11-29 13:18#20
Im still to sceert of that lil ole squirrel trying to git a NUTT..
In all sincerity Tinks products are just that A PRODUCT...Marketing has made them millions with blind followers...They see these big name hunters Like Jackie Bushman (who BTW was a tennis pro and got this job because of his name and MARKETING) supposidly using this product. I have a personal friend that is a guide and had to shoot a deer, that Jackie had shot at 7 TIMES and missed, so they could have a kill shot on the T.V. program. Moral is...Dont believe what you see and hear on T.V. and in magazines...They, like any other company, are out to make money. Like uncle Buck said, there aint enough Does in captivity to supply every walmart with 1000 bottles of PURE DOE IN ESTRUS URINE...Use ya head for a second sheesh. The people at VX-1 collect using catheters from single does in captivity and supply is LIMITED. Now, like I said before, I havnt used this product yet nor have I gotten a sample tested yet but I will. I believe in spending a little money on a product to test it before using it. I do know a few people that I TRUST that have used it and they have VIDEO PROOF of bucks comming straight to pad but this was also in FULL RUTT. Any other time it would have been sorta fishy to an older buck and most likely would have spooked them. A deer knows instinctivly when its time for that smell and they are CONDITIONED through evolutionary learning to avoid that scent at the wrong time. Its basic common sense for those NOT CONFUSED. Of course since Im not from Vermont I guess I have no knowledge But I guess the 4, 175+ class, racks on my wall mean nothing...I guess the 3 350 class Elk racks mean nothing either being Im not from Vermont...LMMFAO @ that BS Statement...Good hunters are not limited to where they are from...A good hunter is limited ONLY by his experiance in the field and willingness to learn and adapt to each situation. I know FAR from all, but confused sir I am far from. I too have taken hunters on thier first hunts with success...and have taken hunters that have hunted for 25 years with no success and helped them succeed. One thing to always remember ....Hunting isnt killing and thats not what its all about...a TRUE success is being one with nature and reveling in all of her glory.. A TRUE hunter knows this. A CONFUSED hunter thinks its all about going out and killing a deer. Good Day to you ...OOPS and BTW....you also showed us all with something you said Bruce....You said " Tinks69 FORMULA" Bruce...before you type ANYTHING...Please look up the definition of FORMULA...According to analysis It has about 2 parts Doe urine and about 98 parts other stuff. Sorry folks I know this was long winded but since Im a "confused hunter" I guess I just had to get it right...