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The articles posted here and the Olympics have gotten me thinking and since I had some time I thought I'd share my musings with you.

Why did the Tiananmen Square Massacre occur? Why did Iraq invade Kuwait? Why did Russia invade Georgia?

The common answer to all of these questions is because they could; because China, Iraq and Russia all believed that their opponent was weaker than they were. Why is this significant?

It is signficant because there is a trend in America to level the playing field with other nations and there is a notion that the United States must always take the moral high ground. This is all well and good in an ideal world, but in our world it weakens us.

Mark my words – at any time that Russia or China believes that the United States has weakened to the point that it can be conquered they will attempt to take over our country.

I have seen many instances of people projecting human qualities onto animals, especially wild animals, only to be bitten, mauled or killed. This is the same mistake America is making with Russia and China. They do not embrace our ideals, our values or our respect for life.

Look at the Olympics – is there any doubt that the Chinese have repeatedly cheated to win? Most of us would be appalled if we found out that our country was systemmatically violating Olympic rules to win a medal.

Look at what the Chinese governement and its people will sacrifice to win a stupid medal. They allow the government to take their children out of their homes and create roboti-like atheletes out of them. They don’t value family the way we do. This doesn’t mean that parents don’t’ love their children, but the parents are willing to sacrifice their children because they either fear the government or they have a misguided sense of patriotism. Either way, it is not the American way and it is scary to think of the sacrifices they would make to win a war against us.

There are two ways to fight a war – directly and indirectly. I see the Cold war as an example of an indirect war. This is the type of war Russia and China are waging against the United States right now. China’s major weapon is the economy. Theirs is growing stronger while ours weakens. They “own” us the way a bookie owns a gambling client on a big losing streak. At some point that gambler must turn around his luck or his legs are going to get broken.

The United States must unite once again. The people must want to be a strong nation and willing to sacrifice to become strong once again. We have to look at the trade agreements in which we have entered, we must look at our environmental standards, we must look at our energy policy and our military investments to find the path back to a strong economy.

Time is running out for us. We need to wake up and unite to build a strong America if we want to live a peaceful life and ensure that our children live in peace too.

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CVC,

I agree with everything stated (especially about China.) There's always someone or some country that wants to rule the world. Along with Russia and China we really shouldn't forget about Iran. Iran was the Persian Empire that once tried to rule the world and would still try to do so if given the opportunity.

I actually wanted to post a bit more about China from a previous post by SoCo. It's unfortunate that companies like Disney and Hasbro have toys produced there by children working in unsafe conditions, and working extremely long hours for next to nothing.

To top things off the Chinese companies have forced labor utilization costs down to nothing and are now starting to use substandard materials. This has resulted in several toy recalls for safety reasons. The reasons included loose magnets, lead based paint and being covered in the date rape drug GHB. I would much rather pay a higher price for something made here in the U.S. than in China anyway.

Every holiday season, millions of parents flock to the stores and purchase toys and games. Unfortunately, 4 out of 5 are made in China. Most parents are happy with the low prices that help their shopping dollars go a bit further. I for one, am not. Therefore, I have let Disney and Hasbro know how I feel on several occasions. I have also called and written my legislators. Maybe, if more people got involved, we might be able to do something about it.

Call and write your legislators and tell them you want legislation to improve toy safety. You can also contact Disney and Hasbro to let them know you are dissatisfied with the child labor being used to produce their toys, as well as the safety concerns with their foreign suppliers. Their contact information is as follows:

Disney
Gary Foster
Senior Vice President
gary.foster@disney.com

Hasbro Inc.
P.O. Box 200
Pawtucket, RI 02862
(800) 2HASBRO or (800) 242-7276
customersupport@hasbro.com

Lastly, I'm all for free trade............as long as it's fair trade. It's difficult for the U.S. to compete with China when they have such a poor quality of life there. I guess Truman should've listened to MacArthur at the beginning of the Korean War.

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CVC, I'll do my best to offer my analysis of your musings regarding the current GEO political scene. I feel very fortunate to have been born American and to be able to live in this country. I do feel it's one of the better places in the world to be able to live ones life.

That being said, I don't think it's perfect and without fault and stands like a Knight in Shining Armor wholly Just and Honorable at all times. I think that's a naive and unrealistic child like view, but I feel many people in our country have that view and see everyone else in this world as somehow below us or not as smart as us.

My maturation on this earth has brought me to a place of seeing man whether American or Russian, German or Saudi Arabian, as a man with the strengths and faults. good and bad, greed and benevolence.

You ask why did these acts of aggression happen? Because by and large it is the nature of man to have conflict. Why after all don't we deride the peace loving hippies as being fools and ignorant?

Conflict is sometimes inspired by resources as in the case of Kuwait as Saddam needed that oil and revenue from it to offset huge costs he incurred trying to take down Iran (by the way which we all know we supported him then). Some could say that's a large part of the reason we invaded him if you choose not believe the we cared about their freedom argument as some do.

With Georgia it has to do with fear. If you were Russia wouldn't you be fearful of US backed democracies on your borders. Wouldn't that threaten you if you were the leaders of Russia. Hell, we don't like Cuba being on our doorstep and there hardly a threat.

China, again the desire for man to hold onto power and China's old communist guard not looking to give that power up anytime soon.

Are China and Russia potential threats? Yes, probably always, but keeping America a strong economic power and not draining our military resources on ill needed wars as well as our nuclear potential will keep as safe as can be expected.

In regard to the Olympics and cheating, hey take off the blinders everyone cheats. How many of our athletes have been guilty of steroids and other performance enhancing. Again in my view it's human goshdamn nature and will always be there and I'm not going to waste any of my precious time on this Earth lamenting that fact as it doesn't really impact me one way or another.

And one last thing regarding the Chinese children here is a post on that I lifted from another poster on different site I visit which sums up my feeling on that nicely:

"The Chinese make a point of stocking their programs with the children of their half-billion rural peasants. They do this because both the parents and even the very youngest children are desperate for an opportunity to upgrade their lot in life and will do whatever they have to do to achieve this. It's been remarked that even their 6 year olds show more maturity and drive than a typical western teenager. This isn't surprising considering that the best a non-genius kid from this background could hope to do with their life is move to an urban factory and earn a few dollars a day, sending back half of that to support their elderly parents. While their training may border on cruel, so does life for someone born into such circumstances. In the case of the kid begging to go home, I have very little doubt that the government needed to have anything to do with it. Her parents know that there are plenty of kids all to eager to take her place and she had an opportunity to transform her and their life radically for the better. The world looks different for people born into poverty. "

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Leave it to you to try and justify why Iraq invaded Kuwait, why Russia invaded Georgia and why China drove over a student with a tank.

"In regard to the Olympics and cheating, hey take off the blinders everyone cheats"

Do you believe our country encourages and assists our athletes to cheat? I don't so no not everyyone cheats.

Heck, the Chinese "cheated" in the opening ceremonies with fake fireworks and lip synching singers.

"The Chinese make a point of stocking their programs with the children of their half-billion rural peasants."

Stocking ?? - they are people, not animals.

I'll type slower so you might understand what I am saying. My point about taking the children from the homes was not to debate its merits, but to demonstrate the differences between our two nations. The Chinese are much more tolerant of its government's actions than the US people are. This gives them the advantage should we ever go to war with them. The Chinese people are willing to sacrifice. Many US citizens have no notion of sacrifice for their country.

But of course, you're typical MO is to take things out of context and distort the message to suit your anti-American sentiment.

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Hey pal, I'm not justifying anything. I'm giving my take on why it happened. There's a difference. In regard to sacrifice I agree with you they don't have much to begin with and by the nature of having a merciless hardline Gov. they don't have much of a choice.

Here in America we have different groups the poor and uneducated who trying to survive on a day to day basis don't really pay much attention to world events. And, the middle class to wealthy who think having a yellow ribbon on their vehicle and the five dollars to buy it was sacrifice.

My anti-America sentiments??? How dare you! Who in the hell do you think you are to accuse me of being anti-American? I happen to love my freedom so damn much I am willing to use it and speak up and against something I don't agree with you. You can't get much more American then that.

What have you done in your life that makes you more proud to be an American then me?

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Hey maybe it is just me and maybe I'm wrong, but your post, in my opinion, have a strong anti-American tone to them.

Again, maybe I'm wrong - you say I am so I'll take you at your word and believe that you are pro-American.

What difference does it make why the countries invaded another country or attacked their people? Even with those motivators, if they felt that they were not stronger would they have done it? Most likely not.

My point is that we have to right the course of this nation otherwise we will find ourselves weakened to the point that one of these countries will believe they can attack us.

Am I wrong in this observation?

Do you disagree that if Russia or China believe that they could sucessfully conquer the US that they wouldn't do it?

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Hey maybe it is just me and maybe I'm wrong, but your post, in my opinion, have a strong anti-American tone to them.

Again, maybe I'm wrong - you say I am so I'll take you at your word and believe that you are pro-American.

What difference does it make why the countries invaded another country or attacked their people? Even with those motivators, if they felt that they were not stronger would they have done it? Most likely not.

My point is that we have to right the course of this nation otherwise we will find ourselves weakened to the point that one of these countries will believe they can attack us.

Am I wrong in this observation?

Do you disagree that if Russia or China believe that they could sucessfully conquer the US that they wouldn't do it?

If you were able to see the larger point I was trying to make you would see that I do agree with much of what you say. Would there come a point in time that one of those countries would try to conquer us if they could? Probably so, Nations have been doing this to each other since the beginning of time and much of warring has to do with acquiring resources. The Chinese are getting to a place where someday they might not even have to use military power to do this but rather will bear us down economically.

Yes, I agree we as a country have to right the direction of this country. One way of doing that is by not getting involved in long protracted wars that we, our children, and our grandchildren, will be paying back the Chinese the money for that war for years to come.

We also have to stop the ever growing divide in our country of the haves and have nots. We are creating an environment in which the middle class is shrinking and where one day our country can be much like Mexico with a small percentage of the very wealthy at the top, no middle class, and the great majority of people living in poverty.

In regard to Russia or China trying to take us out militarily we must remember Mutually Assured Destruction. Since we still have enough nukes to end the world a few times over I don't think we have to worry about that too drastically at this point.

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1. The Chinese are getting to a place where someday they might not even have to use military power to do this but rather will bear us down economically.

2. Yes, I agree we as a country have to right the direction of this country. One way of doing that is by not getting involved in long protracted wars that we, our children, and our grandchildren, will be paying back the Chinese the money for that war for years to come.

3. We also have to stop the ever growing divide in our country of the haves and have nots. We are creating an environment in which the middle class is shrinking and where one day our country can be much like Mexico with a small percentage of the very wealthy at the top, no middle class, and the great majority of people living in poverty.

4. In regard to Russia or China trying to take us out militarily we must remember Mutually Assured Destruction. Since we still have enough nukes to end the world a few times over I don't think we have to worry about that too drastically at this point.

Point 1 - the economy is the weapon of choice and we must change our ways to strengthen our economy. We impose trade restrictions on our industries that China does not have to meet because they have developing nation status. That should end.

Point 2 - you are right.

Point 3 - in one sense you are right, but the issue is how do you resolve the issue without wealth redistribution? Education and breaking the cycle of poverty are important components of the solution. A strong economy is another.

Point 4 - yes, mutual destruction may be assured right now, but as our economy weakens we may not have enough to maintain a strong military. China is a large country and who knows what technology they may develop. Mutual destruction is an impediment to attacking us, but I don't think it is a guarantee against it.

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China understands that war is waged across the spectrum of national power -- diplomatic, information, military, and economic. The problem with most Americans is that their concept of warfare is antiquated and completely out of touch with today's environment and that of the future.

Americans tend to think of war only in military terms, waged between uniformed combatants for physical objectives on the battlefield. They have absolutely no understanding of how today's wars are waged on a strategic level through the media. And that includes all of the aforementioned elements of national power.

The Chinese get it, and appear to be better at it than we are. But their rapidly growing economy and accelerating demand for energy and raw materials is going to cause friction -- and that's not America's fault.

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I had hoped that in the aftermath of 9/11 the US would once again be united, even to the point where corporations would bring jobs back here to our soil. In fact the opposite has happened. The almighty dollar has proven to be too tempting for corporate executives. In the last 7 years I've seen a good 3/4 of what was once American Made prior to 9/11, now turn into "made in china". And USA made products were even very rare before 9/11. I just don't understand why the US still does buisness with a country who has weapons pointed at us. Americans are becoming lazy and loosing the ability to be self sufficient. The fact that we work more overtime than any other country, yet we still have the least amount of production, kinda tells ya something about our country these days. Americans have become way to complacent these days into thinking that we are much better than we are, and that is going to ruin us. What will happened if we go to full out war with China. It would cause us so much loss of manufacturing that we in the USA would probably be set back several decades. I fully agree with Newt Gingrich when he said that we are no longer prepared to be a serious country and we had better wake up. For some reason most modern Americans today just can't seem to handle or accept that type of constructive criticism and tend to discard it.

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While this interview mainly focuses on the current administration and the war on terrorism, it can also apply to our dealings with everyone else including china. It really puts into perspective the current state of our country. http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/08/gingrich/#cnnSTCVideo

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