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Thoughts on semiautomatic big game rifles

I agree that the bolt should shoot tighter, even offhand, but do you shoot each and every gun at the exact same level of precision? Do you shoot the same groups at a standing deer as at a running deer?
Regardless if one shoots better from the bench or not, it will become secondary to the shooter's skill in a field situation. The difference in a circular pattern between a 1 and 2.5 inch group works out to .75" from center aim. (Since only half the group is on any one side of the crosshairs, .5" vs. 1.25" = .75") If you miss the vitals by this much, then its not the gun's fault. And I would challenge anyone to prove that it was the gun, and not them. Now, extended ranges are different, but usually those will be with a rest and you most likely wouldn't be using something that groups at 2.5".
I have never had a semi that grouped that bad anyway.

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Thoughts on semiautomatic big game rifles

Big game rifles ! 1) how big is your big game ? 2)we are not talkin bench shooting for BIG game ! or did I miss something in this? I'm thinkin Elk or bear or ? not a chronygraph at a steel target at 700 yards.When your sliding down a hill on your back side and stop and try to see that animal again while your wiping snow off your face ,now thats shootin at BIG GAME forget about takin controlled breathing for 2 mins.It just dont happen.At least not with me ,but then I never do it the easy way .This is just my venting opinion.

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Thoughts on semiautomatic big game rifles

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On 2004-02-19 18:55, ChesterGolf wrote:
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On 2004-02-18 08:10, elkster wrote:
I find it hard to believe that action type has anything to do with field hunting accuracy, to a given range within the calibre's performance level.

Are you saying there is no difference in accuracy between bolts and semis? If you are then we will have to agree to disagree. In my experience bolts shoot much more accurate on the whole than semis ever dream of doing.

I'll call you on that. I have 3 Brownings. 2 A-bolts and 1 BAR. All BOSS equiped and all three guns shoot sub minute of angle, with same hole groups at 100. Granted, that is achieved with the guns locked into a butterly sandbag on a nice day with perfect shooting conditions, but they are capable of great accuracy off the bench. When shooting in field positions, unsupported and at a more rapid pace, I consider 10 for 10 inside a 10-12" pie plate out to the 300 yds damn good.

My BAR is in .338WM and it shoots more pleasant than the 300 WSM A-bolt, and about equal to the .308 A-bolt. With that said, my follow up shots are more accurate. Also, with a semi-auto, you don't have to break position (if you have a good one in the field) to ensure follow ups.

Now, my BAR probably shoots so well because I have been able to fine tune the barrel harmonics to the particular weight of bullet I am firing. Maybe non-boss equiped semi-auto will prove to be less accurate.

I agree completely with Mister_Venison with his remarks about field shooting conditions. Considering the margins for error in the field, I think if you can hit a paper plate at distances out to 300, regardless of the gun's range potential, a hunter will be doing just fine.

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Thoughts on semiautomatic big game rifles

My father has a BAR in .308 that shoots very well. It doesn't even have a BOSS. Also, I have an M1A that I would pit against any bolt. I think these are the only two semis that can hold their own against bolts. Not sure about the new Benelli semi.

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I think it safe to say that "generally" a bolt action is more accurate than a semi-auto. Our examples show there are exceptions to that "rule".

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Semi's

I've hunted with semi's a lot over the pat 50 yrs. Don'tbuy a Remington or winchester 100(although I love thefeel of a 100) Go with a Bar of your choice! They used to make it in .280. Get a lwt or new long action or short action. but ,I hunt with a lwt 30-06,wood stock., 20"bbl I can put 3 shot in a quarter all day long with almost any factory load. It is my go to rifle if I want to kill a deer. I don't spray and pray but have taken multipal deer if I want. The action noise is a valid point, too many people forget this or don't have enough experience to know.
the rifles are a little heavy when all decked out to hunt. they will take stout handloads and are as reliable as death and taxes if you keep them clean. I've hunted in all kinds of weather with mine without a hitch.
If you want a remington, buy the pump rifle, you won't be sorry. as a matter of fact,I want one pretty bad, bad enough to trade a NIB Bar .270 for one if the person is willing toi throw in a few things with it or sell it outright for 625.00 + shipping. (has beautiful wood) e-mail clcbears@hotmail.com

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semi autos

Ive deer hunted for years with semiautos my 1st was a remington 740 3006 that my grandfater gave me after he thought hed worn it out. Ive prolly killed at least 100 deer with it before i gave it to my son. hes prolly killed 10 or so with it.I bought myself a browning bar 270 about five years ago.The very first shot the gun jammed but sense that time ive shot prolly 30 boxs of ammo thru her with no more problem.I really love autos and ive never had a problem with accuracy once you you find the right bullet for your gun.I can put a 5 round group in less than 1 inch circle at 100 hundered yrds
ps ive killed 36 deer in the last 5 yrs and have 4 rounds left of my 2nd box lol

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Model 100 winchesters ?

I was wondering if they are worth the trouble ? I saw one yesterday in a gun shop and it looks in good shape and really fits me well and is very sleek looking. I've heard bad things about them inaccurate, auto-fire, jaming etc. But, I'm really tempted to buy one (499.00) If I could find a good 88 in the same price range I would jump on it first. But this rifle sure seems handy for deer hunting out to 250 yds.

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I find you should only need one shot but there is those times you need 2 but thats when you dont wait usually or your trying for too hard of a shot for yourself shot at ranges you know your only gonna take one shot then you wont have the problem of needing that second shot so fast

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