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I don't care one way or the other about the short mags. The most amazing thing about them is the marketing that convinced the public there was some significant advantage to them. Now that was genius!

But this topic started off about the 325 wsm, not any other. And that one really makes no sense. The 8mm's have been about as well accepted in this country as the 6.5, actually not even that well.

But if you see some advantage of the 270wsm over the 270 Win, have at it. I can't see it and it has nothing to do with resisting change.

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This is probably as good a time as ever Don, to send Happy Birthday greetings of 101 Years to your 30.06 Springfield and, in all fairness, a Moment of Silence for those calibres less fortunate., which are trying so hard Laugh Laugh Laugh

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Tim I agree with you on the 270 wsm. In my opinion 15% more energy than the old 270 is a lot. The 325 wsm is going to do just fine. Who cares that it's a 8mm? All I care about is that it pushes a 220 grain bullet at 2900 fps and has a me of 3941. In my opinion those are impressive ballistics.

I was reading Outdoor Life and came across an article about the new cartridge race. The article stated that calibers adopted by the military are generally very strong bets for greatness, with the .223, .308, and .30/06 being examples. An intresting long shot, however, might be the 6.8mm SPC, now being uded by some U.S. forces. In the big-bore arena, the .375 Ruger is a solid contender, but then, the best horse dosen't always win the race. Here is the list of the good cartridges and the bad.

The Good .......... The Bad
.17 HMR .......... 223 WSSM
.300 WSM ...... 243 WSSM
7 mm SAUM .... 25 WSSM
.17 Fireball ...... 7 mm WSM
.204 ruger ...... 7 mm RUM
.270 WSM ...... .300 SAUM
.338 Federal .... .338 RUM
.325 WSM ...... .376 Steyr
.30 MX
.300 RUM
.375 Ruger

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I agree with most of those in terms of which cals will make it in the long run, but I'm not so sure on the 375 Ruger. I know it's got better balistics than the H&H, but my money is on the old fella. It's got a 100 years of history to back it up against the Ruger. Besides, the 375 H&H has actually increased in popularity within the last few years. Ultimately, we'll just have to see.

On another note. I'm not real sure the 338 federal will make it as a factory loaded cal., but boy I hope it does.... it's a keeper and one of my favorites.

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I was looking at the new Ruger African shooting the Ruger .375. It is a nice rifle, but I opted to get one that shoots the .375 H&H. I wasn't willing to bet that the Ruger .375 would stay around and thus, choose to go with a caliber that has lasted for almost 100 years.

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I am curious as to what you guys think the value of 15% more energy is in the 270 WSM? The cartridge is already more than sufficient for moose and Jack O'Conner has taken numerous grizzles with it and 130gr bullets. If you just like the idea of the 270 WSM just say so. But the 15% argument is nothing to brag about. If you need the extra 15% energy, maybe you really need a larger cartridge in the first place.

Oops! Tim did say it and thats a good enought reason right there.

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I know ole' Jack took a grizzly, and pretty much everything else in N. America, with his 270, but I'm an Elmer Keith fan myself. I see a grizz, I show a 416, or a 9.3x74 at the very least. If we're walking those inland little fellas, then I guess i could get crafty and use my 338 win mag or a 35 Whelen. I'd rather grab a rhino by the tail than hunt coastals with a 270. Jack made that cal what it is today.

I'm with Don, just get a bigger gun. I think a lot of people are really into these super fast cals because they like the "sniper" aspect of hunting... long shots with flat, fast bullets. I'd rather get up close in my cammies and tag a sucker with a 45/70 than shoot him from across the next county. But, that's just my view of hunting.

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It all depends on what type of hunting you enjoy. I shoot whitetails in a bean field from a tree stand that sits over 20 feet in the air. It's not uncommen for me to shoot deer at 300 + yards. I also use my 270 wsm when I shoot pronghorns in Wyoming every year. I have had success with the cartridge past 400 yards on those little buggers. I use it on elk, deer, pronghorn, hogs, and have even shot some prairie dogs with it just for kicks. For me it's the perfect all around caliber. I wouldn't hesitate to shoot anything north america has to offer except maybe the largest bears. As far as the 325 goes, my BLR is a sweet shooter and I'm very happy with the rifle and caliber. It's a ideal Olympic penusila elk rig. I have no doubts that the 325 will find it's nitch, 325 wsm develops more energy downrange than the .338. and it won't loosen your fillings like the latter. The .325 is available in a 220 grain power point bullet with a muzzle velocity of 2840fps, a 200 grain Accubond CT bullet (2950 fps and a 180 grain Ballistic silvertip bullet with a screaming 3060 fps.

In my opinion you can't go wrong, Browning, Savage, Kimber, Winchester, Ruger, and Remington are just a few companys who are now chambering rifles for this sweet caliber.

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I just dig the bigger boolets of the 338 win. When I want to go long, I put in da little boolets or go with the 300 weatherby. It also actually has more down rang oomph than the win, but that's only REAL down range. Besides, I like them big ole' holes. Yes Yes Yes

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270win on top
270wsm botom

velocity muzzle 100 200 300 400 500
Remington® Express® 150 SP CL 2850 2504 2183 1886 1618 1385
Premier® AccuTip™ 150 AT BT 3160 2972 2792 2618 2452 2291

energy muzz 100 200 300 400 500
Remington® Express® 150 SP CL 2705 2087 1587 1185 872 639
Premier® AccuTip™ 150 AT BT 3325 2941 2595 2283 2002 1748

short range traj 50 100 150 200 250 300
Remington® Express® 150 SP CL 0.3 0.8 zero -2.4 -6.7 -13.0
Premier® AccuTip™ 150 AT BT -0.1 0.5 zero -1.5 -4.1 -8.0

long range trajectory
Cartridge Type Bullet 100 150 200 250 300 400 500
Remington® Express® 150 SP CL 2.0 1.8 zero -3.6 -9.4 -28.6 -61.2
Premier® AccuTip™ 150 AT BT 2.1 2.5 1.8 zero -3.0 -12.8 -28.5

based on this data from remington.com I will take my .270wsm over the .270 win.

retained energy and downrange ballistics definatly are better. Both calibers are similair out to about 200 yards after that it is all the wsm. Somepeople want a gun that can handle 350 yards no problem. .270wsm handles that extremely well.

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