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my buddy has the same rifle but its a 300 wsm, and his recoil is significantly more than the 325, now hopefully more companies will start to manufacture rounds for it the winchesters are good but would like to see more variety for comparison at least

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I own a BLR in a 325 wsm and the rifle is great! It has awsome ballistics; I will take this rifle on my elk hunt this year. I'm starting to think it's ridiculous that people keep calling WSM'S a "FAD." They have been around for almost ten years now, and have sold very rapidly. The 270, 300, and the 325 are all very good rounds! Why would I buy a 270 win or a 300 win mag when I could have a short mag? The 270 wsm is +200 fps faster and gives 15% more enegry than the 270 win - in a smaller, lighter rifle. My model 70 classic sporter is a "true" short action. It's a 270 wsm and I have had great success with it. The short action mags have so many good qualities about them it's crazy. A short action is inherently more accurate then long actions. Short actions have more ridged and stiff recievers than long actions, making them more accurate. The short fat cases have a better burn ratio, giving a more controlled burn. My 270 wsm kicks about as much as a 30-06 because of the high % of powder that burns instantly.

All of these traits combine to make a high power magnum that is more accurate then the standard mags, in a light weight handy package. I'm not saying go toss your old 270's and 300 mags in the trash, but if you're browsing the market for a new rifle, look hard at the wsm's. Don't let some old men who are afraid of change tell you something is a fad; I guarantee the people who say they are a fad have never owned one! I have yet to hear of anyone who baught a 270 wsm, 300 wsm, or 325 wsm say anything bad about them. They are supurb calibers.

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I'm glad that there are still those that are willing to spend their time and money in the development of something new. Besides, it gives us something to discuss. I find it to be intriguing to watch and read about the development of rounds and the possibilities that may arise and the possibility of their uses.

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The 270 Win has been with us since 1925, that's about 83yrs. The 300 Win Mag since 1963, that's 45 yrs. They have long since become something other than a fad. The short mags and ultra mags etc haven't been around anywhere near that long. Weather there are for real or a fad remains to be seem. Do any of them outsell their standard counter parts? I don't know.

With these cartridges we're talking hunting cartridges I believe. If there is any advantage to short or long action accuracy for hunting, I can't imagine what it is. And I haven't heard of any short mags being used in competation.

I doubt that any of the short mag ammo can be bought as inexpensively as it's standard counter part and it sure won't kill any better. If there is one thing they have going for them that the older cartridges don't it's that they are new and only time will tell weather or not they area fad. everything I read about them seems to point to fad tho. Most people understand it's not the case that kills, it's the bullet and the bullets have been here a long time.

The biggest problem I see with the short mags is that if they don't make it, what will happen to ammunition supplies? Of course if your a handloader it doesn't matter so long as the case supply doesn't dry up also. If that happens, then you have a rifle that needs re-barreling.

The 280 Rem is a great cartridge that has been around a long time but if you don't hand load I wouldn't suggest you get one. Ditto the 250-3000 and the 257 Roberts and even the 6mm Rem. History is full of cartridges that were good but when the fad wore off they were deserted.

17 Rem, 222 mag, 6mm Rem, looks that way for the 260 rem (hope not), 7mm STW, 307 Win, 7x61 S&H, 8mm Rem Mag and a lot of others I can't think of. The best example I can think of is the 5mm rem Mag. If you have one you can't shoot it. No ammo!

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i would have a hard time beliving that its a fad, most of the guys that I hunt with that have the short mags and that have previously had the regular all prefer the short mags. The only problem with the 325 so far is the lack of options for ammo but im sure that will change. When I went down to purchase my rifle last week I called on Monday to find out who had them, 2 places in tacoma had them sitting on the shelf. One place had one and the other place had four. By friday when I got back into town, I called around the shop that had four had one left and the other had none. So within a week these two gun shops in tacoma sold 5 browning 325. If nothing else thats pretty impressive and after shooting my new gun alot of my friends are very intrested in buying one.

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I'm going to agree that the short mags are probably here to stay for a while because short, ultra fast and flat is in now. In the U.S. everybody and there dog has or wants a magnum rifle of some kind. However, we can't forget the ,25 wssm. That was a fad that did burn out quickly. Who knows about the others.

I don't necessarily agree that the short mags have an inherit accuracy advantage, as I've never read that or seen any proof of it anywhere. I've actually read a couple articles claiming that the wssm's were not that effecient if they were either much higher or lower in caliber than the .300; 300 being the most effecient. I think I got that off Chuck Hawks, I'll check.

I've also read that on the superfast short mags, barrels can be burned out if over used...granted that's a lot of shooting.

The only real advantage that I see is the fact that a 300 wsm can be made into a lighter rifle than a 300 weatherby.

I don't personally need 5,000 fps on my rifle because whether it drops 6 inches or 3 inches at 500 yards doesn't matter to me. Most people don't usually shoot anything past 200 yards. A bullet with too much velocity is only good for meat damage and/or shattered worthless bullets and injured animals. I know from experience that a 270 wsm usually creates more meat damage on deer at 100 yards than does a 338 win mag using 250 grain bullets. Big bullets work better in my book. Yes Yes Yes

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http://www.cabelas.com/information/cabelasfieldguides/FirearmsBallisticsLoads/TheShortMagRevolution.html

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Interesting article but the end sums it up. something about no revolutionary changes. I just wonder why they hit the market all at the same time? Had they come out one at a time, would the world buy them? I really don't know but time will tell. Somewhere, probably here, I heard the 25 short mag is already in trouble and I have heard of problems with feeding on some of them.

In the end I really believe that it's a sales gimmick to sell more rifles. As Boddington said, they really don't bring in much of anything new. Saving 10% powder has never been high on anyone's list. And while he recognizes that they are more accurate he also is clear that some of the standards are in some rifles, it's a wash.

If it works, that'll be fine, if it doesn't, those cases could be hard to find and the rifles chambered for them left with either very expensive or non-existent ammo.

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All that needs to be read of the article is, "Put it altogether and there still are no genuinely revolutionary advantages to the new short magnums."

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The same can be said for the 25-06, 7mm-08, 7mm mag, and 300 mag. None of them filled a nich.

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don

it's ok, we can tell you don't like change of any kind at all. Some of us don't have your expierence and it is easy to buy wsm cartridges for us. I personally like my 270 wsm and the gun has killed everything i have shot it with. I am sure it is my awesome marksmanship though. lol

change is good, if it wasn't for change there would be no progress or development of new ideas.

or another way of putting it: different strokes for different folks.

tim

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