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I was told that they chose the 8mm over the 338 WSM because they could not get velocities close to the 338 Win Mag. So they stepped down a caliber and were able to get closer. I know of a few guys that made 338 WSM wildcats and they found out that too be true. The 338 WSM could hang up to the 225gr bullets and then the 338 Win Mag would definitely pull away.

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After much contemplation, reading and many discussions. I have to agree on the short action being a fad, as lately
It seems that Winchester has spent alot of time and money in the developement of these short rounds. As far as I can tell. The only two that have had any success are the 270 and 300 wsm's. The others seem to be falling by the wayside. All this also seems to have come about since the success of the 6.5/284. I guess they thought that their 284 could use some improvement. Hence the wsm's.
I've had some curiosity about the amount of time and money that has been put into the development of these short round as lately. I've been trying to determine as to whether there was some magic formula to these shorts. I can't seem to find any particular reason other than. They are something new that can be marketed to someone that needs something that is different and may have a slight edge or matches something that already exists. Not to say that they won't perform. They do a fine job.
Isn't this what the wildcatters of old use to do.
One major difference with the wsm's is they had to develop an action that was a bit longer than the short. Hence, the short mag action. I believe the saum stayed within the bound of the short action. The wildcatters of old usually worked within the bounds of an existing or surplus action.
I'm glad that there are still those that are willing to spend their time and money in the development of something new. Besides, it gives us something to discuss. I find it to be intriguing to watch and read about the development of rounds and the possibilities that may arise and the possibility of their uses.

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RemmyTim wrote:
I was told that they chose the 8mm over the 338 WSM because they could not get velocities close to the 338 Win Mag. So they stepped down a caliber and were able to get closer. I know of a few guys that made 338 WSM wildcats and they found out that too be true. The 338 WSM could hang up to the 225gr bullets and then the 338 Win Mag would definitely pull away.

Tim

I read the same thing, somewhere.
The 300 wsm also falls short of the long mag with bullets over 180 gr. The 270 wsm is an exception. It spits them out with some authority.
Also, The short mags were intended for a shorter barrel.
I was disappointed when they went with the smaller diameter in the, should have been ,338 diameter

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I'm with fuzzybear on the short action fad issue, and he's right with regards to the 270 and 300 being the only successful wsm's. I read an article, may of been on chuckhawks cite or something, that stated that the effeciency of the wsm's is on a bell curve peeking at the 300 mark.

On another note, I'm going to to have to defend the 338 federal and the 338-06. I have a 338 federal and recently traded my 338-06 (simply because it was redundant to have those two and a 35 whelen). The 338 federal, as was so thoroughly advertised by federal, has the muzzle energy levels of the 7mm. It is a good "brush" gun, but it really is an accurate round that I would fill comfortable using on elk, for example, up to 200-220 yards (that distance being limited more by my hesitency to shoot past that range). It can also be used on a lighter rifle b/c of its shorter action and mild recoil... all and all a good, "brush", or big soft skinned game gun. It's got more juice than the -06 with not much more recoil, and its not a super magnum (primary reasons I like it).

Fuzzy bear- with regards to the metaphorical thing (you stating the 325 was like the fed. on steroids), I knew the 325 wsm and the federal had different parent cases, I just didn't know the 325 was based on a 323 (thus the reason I didn't state that more directly). That's what I was getting at, and I didn't mean to be deragatory. My profession trained me to spot innaccurate analogies, I can't help it.

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In all fareness, the 325WSm is a very good round,just not what the public was wanting. I think Winchester/Browning screwed the poock when they released the 325 and the WSSM rounds (the 25 should have been a WSM).

The 325WSM is nothing more then a short action 8mm Rem Mag, which is a very good round, just never got popular here in the states. I was hoping the release of the 325 would force more bullet companies to make quality 8mm bullets, but it appears it wont happen.

To answer the original question though, if you are looking for a rifle with a little more thump then a 300 without the recoil of a 338,you have found the perfect rifle. If you dont handload,you will be forced with a limited supply of factory ammo,if you reload you will have a much wider choice.Good luck with your choice, Browning makes a very good rifle.

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Some more options (my favorites) that fit in between the 300 and the 338 wm (in terms of energy) that your friends might not have;

35 Whelen... my personal favorite as I've stated several times (-06 necked up to .358. Can load up to 250 grains, easy recoil, powerful, not as flat shooting as 325, or 300).

338-06/338 A square... also a good one (-06 necked up to hold a 338, flatter than the whelen and can be loaded with heavier bullets than 325, powerful with little recoil, but not as flat shooting as 325 or 338 and flatter, a little, than the Whelen. However, It shoots plenty flat out to 250)

338 federal... 308 necked up to 338, fairly flat shooting out to 200, can kill anything in lower forty eight, has less recoil than the previous two including 325 and 338.

9.3x62... a european based round, but great for all big game up to and including cape buffalo (depending on who you ask). You'll be able to handload up to 300 graines, usually 285, and can load it down to ~220 making it flatter. Harder to find and more expensive handloads.

8mm, 9.3X74R (double round equivalent to 9.3X62), 9.3X64 (even more umph than the other 9.3's), 358 winchester, 350 remington mag.

There are a few others I left out I'm sure. My point is that if you decide against the 325 wsm, you have plenty of good options that will cover everything from white tail to elk or moose. Some of these would be great for a plains game safari as well. Good luck, and sorry for the long post.

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well I got back into town last night and went down to look at the brownings and ended up buying it, Ill be taking it out today to sight it in but shot it last night and couldnt be happier thanks for the imput

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Is it a BLR? I love mine. I've got one in a 7-08 and one in a 358 win. Absolutely accurate and they seem to fit really well. Let us know how she performs on the range.

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no its an A bolt but I love it, very little recoil and took it out, sighted it in and its shooting 1/2 groups at 300 yds no problem, couldnt be happier

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Never owned an a bolt, but if you're shooting 1/2 inch groups at three hundred, that's certainly a good plug for the rifle. I'd read the recoil wasn't bad on a 325 wsm, it's good to actually hear from someone that that is the case. I guess that's a good arguement whence comparing it to the 338 win mag. Sounds like a good elk gun, or anything else in the states for that matter.

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