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I was looking around and am thinking about buying the 325wsm browning anyone else already have one? Just looking for a little imput good or bad, the only issue That I could think of it availablity of ammo havent really looked but havent ever really seen it

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t heard much one way or the other. Seems I did rad where it's biggest problem is bullet's. Anything for it can be had in a 300 and it gets shot down by the 338's in bullet's. Sounds like it fell into no mans land.

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I'd suggest going with the 338 wm because you'll have more availabe ammo, and you'll have a wider variety of bullet sizes you can use (meaning bigger), thus giving you a wider range of game you could hunt using it.

That being said, I have a buddy that just returned from South Africa on plains game safari. He strictly used his 325 wsm (don't know make and model). He was pleased with it's all around performance taking several different types of game. I also read that it's recoil is less severe than the 338 and comparable to the 300 wm. I've read/heard both good and bad things (bad were mostly with regards to bullet selection and a general dislike of the wsm's). I don't own one, nor have I shot one, so I couldn't say either way. However, I do own and shoot a 338 win, and it is one of my favorites due to it's power, accuracy and versatility. Either way, it's always fun shopping.

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The 325 wsm is a 338 federal on steroids. Anything a 338 federal can do. A 325 wsm can do a bit faster, with a bit more energy.
If you can load a 338 federal with 250's. Then you can load a 325 wsm with 250's.
From what I've read and heard. The 325 wsm is another one of the new rounds that doesn't offer anything new but it will perform as well as the 338 wm with bullets up to 225 grs.
It's a great round and would be very useable on any game in these lower 48 and many other situations. It's easily a 250 to 300 yd round on large game.

One advantage of the 338 federal over the 325 wsm is. You can have an old 308 win or 243 win rebarreled without any other major changes. The wsm's take a bit longer action.

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I've got both a 338 federal and a 338 win. Fuzzybear is right when he says the 325 is like a 338 federal on steroids, I guess, but I'm not sure about his reasoning that if a 338 federal can be loaded with a 250 grain bullet, a 325 wsm can be loaded with a 250 grain bullet. I've heard it said on other forums by a few people that the 325 comes up short when compared to the 338 wm b/c it doesn't hold 250 grain bullets. I believe 225 is the limit. However, they/I might have been mistaken.

One might be able to handload the 325 with 250 grainers, but it may not work well ballistically b/c the bullet would have to be seated too deeply in that pudgy little short mag case. Chuck Hawks has a 325 wsm listed shooting a 180 grain bullet at 3060 fps. My 338 factory loads shoot 210 grain bullets at roughly 2600 fps. The 325 wsm and 308 case (338 fed. parent case), really aren't very comparable in my opinion. If anyone here does know for a fact that one can load a 250 grain bullet into a 325 wsm successfully, I'd be interested to hear the ballistics etc.

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after reading all the responses im more or less in the same position. I think a 338 is a bit more than i need on a regular basis but it would be nice to have on occasion. that being said maybe it just comes down to having something new that none of my other buddys have. thanks for the imput

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I'll be a bit less metaphorical in the future.

I'll try without metaphors.

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There are three 33 cal rounds that have been adopted as factory loads in recent years.
The first being the 338 A Square. A 30-06 case necked up to 33 cal.
The second being the 325 wsm. A 300 wsm case necked up to 33 cal.
The third being the 338 Federal. A 308 win case necked up to 33 cal.
All three surpass their smaller diameter round in energy.

All have gained some popularity in the hunting arena with bullets from 180 gr to 225 gr. Of the three the 325 wsm is the velocity and energy leader by 100fps faster than the 338 A Square and 200 fps faster than the 338 Federal but falls short of the 338 wm by 100 fps, with bullets up to 225 gr.
All of the rounds can be loaded with 250 gr bullets but there aren't any factory loads developed for the 338 Federal or the 325 wsm, as yet. The long cases of the 338 A Square and the 338 wm are better suited to the long bullet.

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I think a thing to remember about the 333 and 338 cals is that the prime bullets are heavier than the parent cases. IE. the 308 does well with a 165 and 180gr bullet but the 338 Federal will take the 200 and 225gr and do about as well. But if you wanted to shoot 250 and heavier, the 338 mag is even better. Speer used to make, maybe still does, a 275gr 338 bullet that worked well in the 338 mag. recoil was getting brutal tho. I can't imagine why anyone would go to the 338 Fed and drop down to the 180gr bullet. About all you'd be doing is making a 308 case work about like a 30-06. Same with the 338 mag for me. If your not going to take advantage of the heavier bullets, what's the point? Going to a larger dia bullet just to make a lighter bullet go faster makes no sence to me.

Fuzzy, the 338 A Square sounds a lot like the old 333 OKH. Probably an improved 338-06?

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The original developement was the 333 OKH (Charley O'neil, Elmer Keith and Don Hopkins). Same as the 338-06 wildcat. Both were developed from the necked up 06' case. The 338 A Square is the adopted 338-06. Of course they put their name on it and made it as a factory round. Weatherby built rifles in the 338 A Square for a short period.

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fuzzybear wrote:

The second being the 325 wsm. A 300 wsm case necked up to 33 cal.

The 325 is actually a .323 (8mm) bullet diameter, not a 33 cal. That is why there is not a good bullet selection for the 325's, no big bullet manufaturer makes quality 8mm bullets. Nosler has the 200gr Partition and Accubond, Barnes has the 180gr and 200gr TSX, and Swift has a 200gr and 220gr A-Frame,that's it.

I bought a 325WSm in a Browning A-Bolt when they first came out while I lived in Alaska. I thought it would be a great "compromise" between a 300 and the 338. It was, but it wouldnt do anything a 300 mag (Win,WBY or RUM) wouldnt do, actually it fell short of the WBY and RUM by alot. I handloaded for the rifle for 2 years and couldnt get anything consistent out of it.

If you are looking for a reason to buy another gun,go ahead and buy it. But if you are looking for a reliable gun with lots of ammo choices, buy a 300 Win Mag or 338. Just my 3 cents................

Tim

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Gotta wonder why they chose 323 instead of 338 in the first place. Another thing I wonder about, how come the 338 Fed rather than the 338-06? I haven't followed the 338 Fed but it seem's to me a half step between the old woods type cartridges, 35 Rem ect, and a cartridge with larger game in mind. Unless they are keying on the short action fad. In that case why not something like a 338-284?

It seem's that the firearms industry is in a scramble to create new business. Mean while Savage sits back making a go with the old standby cartridges. Come to think of it that works quite well for them. No reasearch and developement for them in cartridges. Let the others do the grunt work then provide chamberings in cartridges that sell well.

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