A possiblity for me and my son during his Elk season is to coyote out. I have never done this because of all the roads that exsist in AZ. Well this year we will be hunting in a wilderness area and it is a long hike in and out of the areas we are thinking about hunting. I would like to make sure I am not forgetting anything if I decide to do this. Anybody have a list put together of what they pack in that would be helpful?
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Sun, 2010-07-25 13:48
Thinking about Coyoting out during Elk Season
Sun, 2010-07-25 17:02#1
Would like to help you out
Would like to help you out but need to know a few things first. What is "coyoting"? Is that like a spike camp? Also where and when will you be hunting? Elevation, latitude, and time of year will make a huge difference for any supplies you may need when camping.
Sun, 2010-07-25 17:19#2
Ok, I guess some call it a spike camp (Backpacking in). Elevation 5500'. In September, in AZ. Elk Hunt if I didn't mention that. I worry about not having enough water. I dont worry about being cold as it will most likely be warm. But I should maybe be ready for rain, but kind of doubt that as well. Thanks for helping
Sun, 2010-07-25 17:47#3
If you are backpacking in and
If you are backpacking in and are going to stay any length of time then you need a water source that you can use a filter on so that you don't have to worry about that. But you'll need to figure that you'll need about a gallon a day for each person, witch is alot of water one way or another. You'll have to decide for yourself if you want a tent or if you can get by with a leantoo made out of a plastic tarp in September. The leantoo is OK if it is a dry year but you should have the tarp weather you are using a tent or not it is nice to keep things dry or give yourself a place out of the sun. The sleeping bag is the same thing. A nice lightweight one should do but what if it turns off cold? Food is a no brainer. Freezed dried is the only way to go (military MRI's) just add water. Cooking you'll need at least a pot for boiling water and a small frying pan. Years ago I use to use a colapasable grate and I would cook every thing over the camp fire. Then don't forget the bags to pack out the meat in. So figure what ever you pack in you'll need to pack out 4 times as much if you manage to bag that critter.
The problem with my list is that whoever you ask will give you a different answer.
Sun, 2010-07-25 19:57#4
I haven't done much high
I haven't done much high country hiking or hunting in AZ, but I'd definitely be sleeping in a tent. I'm not a fan of snakes, and Arizona has its share of them. I wouldn't be able to sleep in a lean-to knowing some poisonous reptile might want to share my sleeping bag with me. I don't think Scorpions are in the mountains, but I wouldn't want to deal with them either.
Like you said water would probably be the biggest issue. Getting a downed elk out would also be on the back of my mind. If you hike in 10 miles, you'll have to hike out 10 miles with an elk an your back. I'd get a high quality external frame pack and be sure to bring some rope to hang the remaining quarter in a tree for a return trip. Internal frame packs are comfortable, but not for heavy or cumbersome loads.
Mon, 2010-07-26 13:19#5
Thinking about Coyoting out during Elk Season
It's been a very long time, decades in fact, but a buddy of mine and myself backpacked in for deer here in AZ before, down south. We had a main camp that others stayed behind in, and off we went for a few days, meeting them back there afterwards.
I had borrowed a fairly comfortable military pack from a friend, and bought a light mummy bag sleeping bag that rolled up small, and a lightweight poncho for rain or to put the bag on at night. We pretty much roughed it, sleeping on the ground with no tent or anything, not bringing anything for cooking, and from what I remember just bagels, granola type stuff, a couple small cans of tuna, hard candy, dried fruit, stuff like that. As mentioned above, weight and water was the major concern. Also remember we brought emergency flashing mirror, minimal first aid, extra batteries for flashlight, t-paper, water purification pills in case, 2 canteens each, snake bite kit (before they started saying not to do that, ha), and our related hunting equipment. We happened to each carry a gallon of water the first day or so of hiking in and drinking from those first, then burying the containers when empty, but it did get heavy; the way in was mostly up-hill into mountainous area.
It was quite the little adventure for me, having never done it quite like that before at the time. I do have to laugh a little though, as we had studied topo maps and all, thought it would be "totally isolated" and where "no man had tred before" etc., but eventually came across a rough dirt road up/out there not on maps and could have probably driven most of the way if we would have had a clue what we were doing. Young then... LOL.
Mon, 2010-07-26 18:18#6
That is the one thing about AZ is roads and more roads. Thats why this hunt is going to be alittle different hunting in one of three wilderness areas. I still think we could hike in and out each night, but if I can figure this all out, it sure would save about 5 miles a day, which I think would be awesome, plus I really think my son would love the adventure. Even if I decided to do 2-3 days at a time. for a week or so. Im going to write a list of everything I plan on taking and then will let evryone take a look.
Tue, 2010-07-27 13:35#7
That sounds like a good idea, it might generate some thought seeing what you have in mind already. Again, the packs and water got heavier on the actual hike as time went on climbing those mountains, more than it seemed walking around with packs on in the neighborhood practicing etc., (so did the dang rifle ha ha); but we managed. No pain, no gain, LOL.
I'm sure he would love the adventure as well, you too, and something for you both to talk about for years. I wish I would have had small camera back then come to think of it... ;-)
Mon, 2010-07-26 18:35#8
A good and easy thing to do
A good and easy thing to do once you get your list made up is to seperate it into two piles. One for you and one for your son. Then load up the packs and take a walk. Then when you get back you will proabaly remove things along with shifting them from one pack to the other. This way you will know how it is going to ride on your person and can adjust it before you really need to get up and get going.