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the first time i hunted in

the first time i hunted in co. we set up camp walked 200 yerds through the brush to look down a valley came back and the only thing they left was the groceries and a black powder rifle wasnt there 15 min.

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so now what.  they have guns,

so now what.  they have guns, u have a gun and now they have flat tires and cant get away. you have fired your rifle as to what u say was a warning shot but now they can say you fired first. when is the cross over to being in fear of your life, legally.  if someone is breaking into my stuff while i am close i would be in fear of my life. i understand getting the best description you can but your crap is still gone and law enforcement does not have the man power to search for them.  only way you get your stuff back is if they get caught somewhere else WITH your stuff.  chances of that are slim to none.  as the quote from the movie astronaut farmer, "you know how hard it is to find a body on 350 acres"..  definetly not saying that is the answer.  little more than 350 acres out west though.  have a hard time sitting back watching my stuff get snagged by douchebags but i would be going home alive.  its just stuff...right? 

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just found this from

just found this from wikipedia..  Castle Law.... Colorado "...any occupant of a dwelling is justified in using any degree of physical force, including deadly physical force, against another person when that other person has made an unlawful entry into the dwelling, and when the occupant has a reasonable belief that such other person has committed a crime in the dwelling in addition to the uninvited entry, or is committing or intends to commit a crime against a person or property in addition to the uninvited entry, and when the occupant reasonably believes that such other person might use any physical force, no matter how slight, against any occupant." 18-1-704.5 Use of deadly physical force against an intruder.  now does that dwelling consit of a tent????

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I find this topic

I find this topic interesting… If it was me I would do what Critter recommends be the best witness that you can be. You can always get new stuff from the insurance company. My truck, trailer, and quad are all insured as well as my firearms. If you start throwing rounds over their bow you have escalated the situation and they will fight or flee. By escalating the situation you have the potential to get yourself seriously hurt or killed. Not worth it in my book.    

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I agree Fire5179

It's never a good idea to fire a warning shot.  Any shot fired should always be deliberate without hesitation and with just cause and the intention to stop an intruder or an attacker to protect life or limb, not material property.  You are responsible for every bullet that leaves your muzzle. That bullet from a warning shot has to end up somewhere, right?.  I would haul ass as fast as I could to camp and hope to get there in time and stop them from doing what they were doing.  Deadly force should only be used when you truely believe that your life or the life of someone under your care, in your party, or family is in danger.  A warning shot or a shot fired to simply wound is usually used as proof to the cops and the prosecutor that you really didn't believe deep down that a life was in true danger.  A deliberate shot to stop someone proves that you truely believed a life was in real danger.  Proving that you are within your legal rights to use force might be difficult to sell to the prosecutor or jury if it's discovered that you shot someone just to protect property only and nothing else.  Just knowing that you could or having the means to do so doesn't always mean that you should.  Although anyone looking to steal from a camp during hunting season is usually tempting fate pretty good.  Not sure why someone would want to try and steal from armed hunters?

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perfect answer

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WesternHunter wrote:

It's never a good idea to fire a warning shot.  Any shot fired should always be deliberate without hesitation and with just cause and the intention to stop an intruder or an attacker to protect life or limb, not material property.  You are responsible for every bullet that leaves your muzzle. That bullet from a warning shot has to end up somewhere, right?.  I would haul ass as fast as I could to camp and hope to get there in time and stop them from doing what they were doing.  Deadly force should only be used when you truely believe that your life or the life of someone under your care, in your party, or family is in danger.  A warning shot or a shot fired to simply wound is usually used as proof to the cops and the prosecutor that you really didn't believe deep down that a life was in true danger.  A deliberate shot to stop someone proves that you truely believed a life was in real danger.  Proving that you are within your legal rights to use force might be difficult to sell to the prosecutor or jury if it's discovered that you shot someone just to protect property only and nothing else.  Just knowing that you could or having the means to do so doesn't always mean that you should.  Although anyone looking to steal from a camp during hunting season is usually tempting fate pretty good.  Not sure why someone would want to try and steal from armed hunters?

perfect answer.

 

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well this next statement goes

well this next statement goes both ways.  "dead men tell no tales."  good guys or bad guys. bad guys can make up whatever and there is noone else to prove anything.  i agree with the no warning shot, i think bad things can only come from that.  you cant always keep your eyes open and if you tick someone off shooting at them they can always come back.  i am pretty sure that the concealed carry classes dont teach shoot to wound or shoot to warn, its shoot to kill.  i have had my stuff stolen and have always been somewhat ready coming back to camp and waiting for someone to be there that doesnt have good intentions.  whatever your descision is, if that time ever occurs, you need to be ready and willing and without hesitation, thats face to face confrontation not hey that was a nice shot at 400 yrds.  hard to prove you were in fear of your life at 400yrds away.

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If it came down to me

If it came down to me watching them through a rifle scope it would be hard not to let the air out of the tires.  I hope I could restrain myself.  I almost always have a video camera with me during my hunts, I would definitely pull it out and film them in the act, it has a very good zoomJ.  If I thought I had time to make it to them before they got away it would be a different story, things would get confrontational.  I would approach them, with only my knife on my hip, if they wanted to escalate the situation then I would be happy to kick the crap out of them using my army, Krav Maga and Jiu Jitsu training I am confident that I could take out 4 or 5 guys (I’ve done it before).

 

Back in the late 90s we had some drunken hunters break into our cabin during the middle of the week.  They took some of the guns, a chainsaw and a few other odds and ends like a couple decks of playing cards, very random stuff.   On the Friday after the theft, when my uncle noticed things were missing, he reported it to the sheriff.  Later that week my dad just happened to run into a couple on a trail on public land just outside our private property and he recognized the gun she was carrying (it was his rifle, with a very distinct but stock).  He admired the gun and asked where she got it.  They told him that her brother let her barrow it.  During the conversation my dad asked where they were from and where they were camping at.  I guess my dad was nonthreatening enough that the couple told him everything (apparently they were unaware of the theft themselves). 

 

As you would guess it my dad went straight to the sheriff and brought him right to the camp with the chainsaw sitting next to their camper.  Two of the men from the camp confessed to breaking in to our cabin when they were drunk.  We recovered everything and the A$$h0115 that took the stuff were kicked off the mountain and we never saw them up there again.

 

From then on I have tried to minimize the appeal of my camp, making it look as if nothing was there of value.  Tucking it away in the trees or locking it in the truck while I’m out and about and I haven’t had a problem since.

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Luckily that has never

Luckily that has never happened to me but if i did and i could see it happening I would shoot some warning shots or deflate some tires. then get a good look at th bastards and call the cops. my phone would just about everywhere in oregon.

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It would be hard not to do

It would be hard not to do something, warning shot or let the air out the tires. I would survey the situation to see how many crooks were involved. I usually have a video camera with me so I'd start filming the crooks as I approached. Just depends on a lot of variables as to what I'd do.

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