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for their own nutjobs going off & murdering.

Hang on there Republican. Was that guy even a registered Democrat? Any TV personality ever say anything bad about our armed forces or recruiters? Living in an alternative reality are you? That guy have any freinds?

Why just make stuff up?

Truth is Dems advocate for Truth commissions and trials, Republicans advocate for buying guns. Sad but true.

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Expatriate, cowgal...listen closely cause I'll only say this once.
Obama made no statement because he DOES NOT CARE.

The military has never been at the top of his list except when he needed to make himself look more centrist in order to garner independent votes.
The last thing on his mind is the safety of our Military men and women or the American public for that matter.

Oops sorry again CVC. Just had to clarify that.

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Personally, JTap, I don't know if its his apathy for the military or his inability to say anything critical of anything Islamic. He was absolutely silent about the pirate crisis, too, until it was resolved. Any normal president would've immediately condemned the seizure of our ship and piracy in general.

Pvt Long was the first US soldier killed by an Islamic terrorist on US soil since 9/11. You'd think that would deserve some some sort of comment.

This is a guy who grabs the microphone and limelight any chance he gets. In his case, silence says a lot more about where he stands on something than comment.

Still waiting for any form of condemnation of Pvt Long's murder from the lefties on this forum. Haven't seen it yet. The conservatives here didn't waste any time condemning Tiller's murder. Once again, silence speaks volumes.

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Cnivelin wrote,

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But of course he's not one nut job but part of a larger, organised, well funded, movement that has been in existance for more than 20 years, with tons of backing from the R wing hate radio and TV.

No where has this lone idiot proven to be linked with or controlled by any mainsteam media or group. Sorry Pangolin but your dealing with the fact based community now, can't just say stuff.
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Funny how left wingers classify one nutjob that murders an individual as terrorism, but refuse to put a cell of people committing a series of bombings in the same category.

It's called HYPOCRISY.

Exactly so!

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Sounds to me as if Private Long was killed by a right wing religious fanatic, probably a fundamentalist from the sounds of it.

I've no idea why progressives should condem a murder that had nothing to do with them, never heard of a 20 year campaign of hate against private Long. Never seen or heard any progressive hate directed at the military come to think of it. The civilian leadership that put the military in a war of choice yes, but haven't heard any anti military rhetoric out ot the progressives, got any examples Expatriate or are you just spouting off nonsense.... Oh. ... the usual,,, I see.

Come to think of it I've never heard any right wing nut cases on here condem the killing of Dr Tiller without the added qualification of "what goes around comes around", or calling him a murderer. When is someone going to say it was a bad thing to do without in the same breath saying he had it coming?

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No where has this lone idiot proven to be linked with or controlled by any mainsteam media or group. Sorry Pangolin but your dealing with the fact based community now, can't just say stuff.

You choose to state your words very carefully I said

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he's not one nut job but part of a larger, organised, well funded, movement that has been in existance for more than 20 years, with tons of backing from the R wing hate radio and TV.

There are videos that are a compilation of all the hate speach of O'Riely directed at Tiller over the years, look it up. While there look up Operation Rescue.

I certainly didn't say mainstream, heck the Republican Party is no longer considered mainstream. I didn't say controlled by, why put words in my mouth? Is it because you know that what I said was true?

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Right again, pangolin. The murder of an American soldier has nothing to do with progressives, so why condemn it? I don't know what President Obama was thinking when he condemned Tiller's murder, because it's not like he's conservative or was behind it. As progressives, we should only condemn the things that we do.

And you're right about the hate, too. I've dug and dug all the way back to the mid 60s, and can't find any instances of progressives protesting against the military, vandalizing military recruiting stations, accusing military people of atrocities, etc.

But for what it's worth, I condemn Long's murder. If I feel it's wrong to kill a man like Dr. Tiller over a political viewpoint, I have to condemn the same act committed when the victim represents a political issue I oppose. If I didn't, I'd lose credibility on my own position. Besides, it's not that tough to condemn a murder, regardless of politics.

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What about the Patriots during the Revolution? By this definition I guess we'd have to lable all the patriots and founding fathers during the American Revolution as terrorists. I won't lable them as such!! But rather as heros!!

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In my opinion, Pelosi blew it by looking for loopholes and escape hatches instead of being strong and holding to principle. She could've kept her bacon out of the fire by giving the following speech:

"My fellow Americans, in the aftermath of the horrible attacks on 9/11, we were shaken to the core, angry, and concerned for our safety. In the early days of the conflict, I received briefings that said we might gain information from captured terrorists through "enhanced" interrogation techniques.

Like any other American, I was caught up in the emotion of the time and did not oppose those techniques. But one of the blessings of history is perspective. Over the past 8 years, we've had a lot of time for introspection about our freedoms and who we are as Americans. I've come to believe that those interrogation methods don't represent our highest American values, and that safety means little if we sell our souls to gain it. Unlike the previous administration, I am willing to stand up and say that we made a wrong decision. I assure you that the Democratic party will continue to do everything it can to keep our nation safe -- and that includes preserving the values we hold dear."

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I assure you that the Democratic party will continue to do everything it can to keep our nation safe -- and that includes preserving the values we hold dear."

That is THE biggest crock of trash I have seen on this site.
Although I am greatly relieved with your assurances but......Name ONE thing that this Democratic Party has done or will do that is keeping our Nation safe and/or preserving our Values.

Back on Topic, westernhunter gives support to my statement about absolving the soldiers from the question as they do fight with political points forging their actions but they are Heroes.
I would like to upgrade my stance on this though.
Killing to save a life or to protect others lives is heroic.
Killing because your political or religious views are different than your victim is despicable and cowardly.

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Pogo wrote,

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You choose to state your words very carefully I said

Their actually your words. I threw them back at you. That's why it's funny.

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There are videos that are a compilation of all the hate speach of O'Riely directed at Tiller over the years, look it up. While there look up Operation Rescue.

I certainly didn't say mainstream, heck the Republican Party is no longer considered mainstream. I didn't say controlled by, why put words in my mouth? Is it because you know that what I said was true?

Once again your desperation to link Republicans with any nutcase whose politics resemble ours in any respect is laughable. You did indeed insinuate that we somehow cheer on, encourage or even fund this type of behavior. Obviously even you know I'm correct at some level as I'm not the one that had to be edited by the moderators. Loss of temper is a sign your losing.

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