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Teddy Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICIAN

Perhaps, but generally speaking most of these hypenated terms only came about in common usage starting in the 1980's, more specifically the mid-1980's. Prior to that I just don't think too many people used the verbage and it just wasn't in print very often.

I'll play devils advocate here. Maybe certain people in certain recent immigrant groups use the hypenation because they think that they are only considered an American when we as Americans find it convenient to deem then so. The rest of the time they are regarded by many Americans to be just sub-class people. This always seems to be the case when our country fall on tragedy or gets involved in a war. We only seem to consider many new immigrant citizens as American when we need them in our armed forces or to stand up for our cause. This was very prevelent and evident during the Civil War and during WWI. When we need them, we tell them "do your part, you are an American damn it"! The rest of the time we always find them being told "go back to your own damn counrty" Am I right?

Another thing to keep in mind with regard to most deep rooted black Americans is that their ancestors did not come to this country by choice my friend. They were taken captive and yanked from their way of life in Africa a few hundred years ago totally against their will.

Now inspite of this I still believe that if someone living here does not want to be an American then they should just go live somewhere else.

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IMHO fighting together in a war tends to bond you as a people. Our freedom that we as Americans have was not free, it cost 1,000's upon 1,000's of lives. Much blood has been spilled for our freedom and we all need to be very Thankful and grateful to our forefathers and our present soldiers for laying it all on the line for us and our great country. Part of the problem with a lot of the "new" immigrants is the unthankfulness and ungratefulness to what we have here, many take it foregranted and demand their rights, go on strike, deface property with their graffiti and thus spit in our and our forefathers faces and really don't give a rip about our heritage. You let these "new" immigrants have their sons go to war for this country and have many come home in bodybags and they might have their eyes opened to what we have here. Fighting together in wars tends to remove the "Afro" American, "Irish" American and the other " " from the word american and you start calling yourself a American.

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My point exactly Hiker. Their ungratefulness is evident in their actions. Another thing that flat out PISSES ME OFF is the way the government coddels them. They get here from say India, Government GIVES them a no interest 100k loan with not paying taxes for 5 years while someone like me has a hard time borrowing 5k for a damn car and even THEN I have to pay an outragious interest. Now would someone tell me where that is promoting the American way? I bust my ever livin arse all my damn life, served my country with my blood, sweat and tears and someone that doesnt give a rats arse about my country gets a free loan? And to make it even worse they cant even speak English!!!!!!!!!!!! And then they have the BALLS to wonder why we are against them? It would be SO simple to fix but it seems that the "majority" (or so the government wants you to THINK its the "majority") of Americans are fine and dandy with the way things are. Simple fix= If you cant speak English you cant work!!! If you cant speak English, FLUENTLY, then no Green Card or Work Visa. Simple, common, COURTESY!!!!! And stop with the free friggin loans!!! Those are MY GD TAX DOLLARS that you are GIVING away!!! If I want to loan someone money then you can damn well bet there will be INTEREST unless they are family or a friend (and even then in a couple of cases)

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Now now, we can't go around blaming immigrants because you can't get a low interest car loans, or a good job, etc. I agree with those solution you present. Seems that it would be a good start. I agree that any immigrants who comes here should come here to embrase America, learn and speak English, and follow our laws. But, simply claiming that foreigners have it better off than Americans in this country is a whole other subject, and sometimes a bit rediculous.

I once had a neighbor who always complained how certain immigrants, even minorities who are American, always had more opportunity than he or his family. When it came down to it, he could not get many loans because he had very very bad credit (his fault), couldn't seem to hold a job seemed to get fired from jobs a lot, and always job hopping (his fault), always broke because it sounded to me as though he and his wife just didn't manage their money wizely (again, their fault). He blamed the minorites for hooking his son on drugs (his son's fault). Just seemed as though everyone was to blame for their problems, but them.

Heck I'm not on top of the world by any means. My life isn't perfect. But I can say that I've done well in life so far. Though there are folk who are way better off than I am. I'll just say that I'm happy and I've built and managed a life that I can be proud of. Mainly because I've used my head, planned ahead, saved money, maintained excellent credit, have an education, stayed out of trouble, kept good friends, stayed with the same job for ten years, worked hard, been reliable, have been promoted many times, and have applied for higher positions other times, some of which I've gotten, others I haven't. See I realize that being a born American means that I have certain rights and responsabilities. I can't expect big daddy government or anyone else to change my pampers everytime I soil them. Being American means self-reliance and being self-sufficient. When things go wrong, we can't always be blaming others. The U.S. Government has many responsabilities to this country and to it's people, but managing our lives is not one of them.
Immigrants need to realize these simple truths too.

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Ok I worded it wrong. My meaning was, why is it there for NON Americans and not for us? Its OUR Money that we work HARD for (most of us) and I just cant see the reasoning behind it myself. I dont expect the Government to support me. Hell I dont even use the benifits I get from the VA most the time but what I DO expect is that Americans should be given the OPPORTUNITY to these free loans and stuff to start a business BEFORE an immigrant which is not the case here.

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To me it's simple. Do a year in Iraq, and you become a citizen when you get home. As a bonus, you even get medical care for your family while you're in the Army.

They've already proven they're good at desert survival and escape & evasion, and are willing to take jobs people don't want to have. If they're willing to demonstrate their willingness to sacrifice for the nation, I think they've earned citizenship.

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Only problem is that I doubt that few of them would make any sacrifice for our country. It would be far more advantagious to work out a deal with the enemy to get what they want, with no regard to how it would harm our country. The same reason why the theory of emptying out the prison system to fill our military ranks doen't set well with me either. I sleep better at night knowing we have a well motivated armed forces, with people who join out of choice rather than conscripted. I'm sure you would agree that a volunteer army makes for a better defense force, but I guess that's a whole other discussion.

A fence along the boarder is actually laughable to me. Seriously, for every mile of fence constructed there will be dozens of holes cut through the previous mile already built. I guess we have to realize that if things were not so bad in their own country, then they would not be fleeing from it. Another thing is if corporate America would not be so dependent on cheap labor, then there would be little reason to hire illegal immigrants. In many ways our own country fuels the reasons for them to come here.

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Don't get me wrong -- I would never advocate filling the ranks with convicts. Although you'd be surprised at the things recruiters are waiving these days. In 2006, the Army issued 8,129 moral waivers to get people in the ranks -- 11 percent of them for felonies. So I'd rather take a patriotic immigrant than someone with a criminal record. Bear in mind that I said patriotic. I believe a lot of them are decent, hardworking people who want to get ahead in life. If that's the case, I say give them the chance to demonstrate they have the right stuff to become Americans.

As for labor laws, I have to agree with you. Every time the government raises the minimum wage or makes labor more expensive for employers, I hear the pitter patter of feet running across the border. We've definitely created a market for these people, so much so that some people would argue it's not in their best interests to go above board and have to compete in the job market.

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